Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Swiss politics/news  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08.11.2008, 11:22
Jehan's Avatar
Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: VD
Posts: 6
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Jehan has no particular reputation at present
Obama & Financial Crisis

Epic election, isn't ?
Many colleagues through EU and Switzerland seem to expect a lot from Barack Obama.
Do you think the US President will really have the power to solve the financial crisis ?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08.11.2008, 12:34
komsomolez's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: SZ
Posts: 2,588
Groaned at 130 Times in 97 Posts
Thanked 4,705 Times in 1,874 Posts
komsomolez has a reputation beyond reputekomsomolez has a reputation beyond reputekomsomolez has a reputation beyond reputekomsomolez has a reputation beyond reputekomsomolez has a reputation beyond reputekomsomolez has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Obama & Financial Crisis

Yes, singlehandedly ...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank komsomolez for this useful post:
  #3  
Old 09.11.2008, 11:44
PatriciaNBern's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Bern
Posts: 128
Groaned at 8 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 73 Times in 39 Posts
PatriciaNBern has earned some respectPatriciaNBern has earned some respect
Re: Obama & Financial Crisis

I think Obama has a chance to make himself one of the nations best presidents. He has 2 wars on his hands and a world economic crisis. I think he will do well. He has his priority list. I am eager to see if he will be a modern day JFK.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09.11.2008, 12:15
AbFab's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Zürich
Posts: 8,455
Groaned at 358 Times in 246 Posts
Thanked 12,578 Times in 4,286 Posts
AbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Obama & Financial Crisis

Quote:
View Post
I think Obama has a chance to make himself one of the nations best presidents. He has 2 wars on his hands and a world economic crisis. I think he will do well.
I'm not sure if I follow the logic to that, why will 2 wars and economic crisis mean he do well?? Surely the opposite applies?
Quote:
He has his priority list. I am eager to see if he will be a modern day JFK.
What? You mean he gets assassinated.

It's funny how people are so willing to believe in politicians. Obama doesn't even become President until mid-January. He will inherit a near hopeless situation and I don't see any reason why he should have the "power" or anything else, like a magic wand, to get the USA or any other place out of the deep sh*t we are in...
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank AbFab for this useful post:
This user groans at AbFab for this post:
  #5  
Old 09.11.2008, 12:38
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Obama & Financial Crisis

..pinning all your hopes onto one person and turning them into a perfect, make-no-mistakes God is one of the main reasons why the world is in the mess it's in. The western world always wants Leaders to sort out everything, clear up the mess and it never happens.. funny that.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #6  
Old 13.11.2008, 11:50
PatriciaNBern's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Bern
Posts: 128
Groaned at 8 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 73 Times in 39 Posts
PatriciaNBern has earned some respectPatriciaNBern has earned some respect
Re: Obama & Financial Crisis

Quote:
View Post
I'm not sure if I follow the logic to that, why will 2 wars and economic crisis mean he do well?? Surely the opposite applies?
What? You mean he gets assassinated.

It's funny how people are so willing to believe in politicians. Obama doesn't even become President until mid-January. He will inherit a near hopeless situation and I don't see any reason why he should have the "power" or anything else, like a magic wand, to get the USA or any other place out of the deep sh*t we are in...
Its also funny how some people are so eager to misinterpret your statements. I said he has the chance to be great, not that he will be great. I cant see the future. I also said i look forward to see if he will be a modern day JFK... not because he was assasinated, but because he took a stand for what he believed was right, even against the grain (which is why he was assasinated).

Since the world economic crisis started with American realty, whos to say America cant bring the world back out of it. Not with a magic wand!!! but by correcting a flawed system over time.
__________________
Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think of you.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank PatriciaNBern for this useful post:
  #7  
Old 13.11.2008, 12:09
Macchiato's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 732
Groaned at 22 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 330 Times in 218 Posts
Macchiato is considered knowledgeableMacchiato is considered knowledgeableMacchiato is considered knowledgeable
Re: Obama & Financial Crisis

Though, selecting Obama, has been quite an event for US, and knowing that his government will do some positive changes for sure, however I see expectation quite high despite lots of problems at handover time.

Challenges are not one or two: Financial crisis, recession, gigantic government debt, huge trade deficit, health care, aging infrastructure, credit card debts, tax policies, middle east unsettled wars, handling Russia while he is flexing muscles,...
Despite democrat overwhelming victory, US public are still rather conservative, so too many changes will not be practical.

Some of above issues are cyclical and within a few years can be somehow sorted out, but most of above mentioned problems did not appear overnight but accumulated during at least couple of decades, so real solution needs the same time.
Any effort proposed and to be implemented by him, will heavily touch majority of people, therefore they need to cope with realities and tolerate the restructuring pains. For instance changing Changing spending/lending/saving behavior is a must for everyone there.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 13.11.2008, 12:25
AbFab's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Zürich
Posts: 8,455
Groaned at 358 Times in 246 Posts
Thanked 12,578 Times in 4,286 Posts
AbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Obama & Financial Crisis

Quote:
View Post
Its also funny how some people are so eager to misinterpret your statements. I said he has the chance to be great, not that he will be great. I cant see the future. I also said i look forward to see if he will be a modern day JFK... not because he was assasinated, but because he took a stand for what he believed was right, even against the grain (which is why he was assasinated).
It's funny how some people cannot abide an opinion any different than their own and even groan people for having one. You still haven't explained why you think two wars and a world economic crisis will make him do well, which you did state...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank AbFab for this useful post:
  #9  
Old 13.11.2008, 12:26
kiwiguy08's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Horgen
Posts: 1,324
Groaned at 36 Times in 26 Posts
Thanked 965 Times in 482 Posts
kiwiguy08 has a reputation beyond reputekiwiguy08 has a reputation beyond reputekiwiguy08 has a reputation beyond reputekiwiguy08 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Obama & Financial Crisis

I think if he can get the situation to as to where are were just slightly worse than pre-Bush....he will have done a phenomenal job.

He does have the power to do some things singlehandedly......

-help America be a leader in stem cell research (and as a result attract more scientists)

-close Guantanamo Bay

-reverse some of the destructive environmental policies


The harder stuff will take time.....but he does have democrats in power in congress so it will go easier than usual (of course Bush had republicans in congress too...so u never know)
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 13.11.2008, 12:50
PatriciaNBern's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Bern
Posts: 128
Groaned at 8 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 73 Times in 39 Posts
PatriciaNBern has earned some respectPatriciaNBern has earned some respect
Re: Obama & Financial Crisis

Quote:
View Post
It's funny how some people cannot abide an opinion any different than their own and even groan people for having one. You still haven't explained why you think two wars and a world economic crisis will make him do well, which you did state...
Again, i said he has a chance to be great, not that he will be, but that he has the chance to be. He has 2 wars and an economic crisis that he has to face. Bush certainly isnt gonna finish up, so Osama has to try. If he can wrap things up... he will be considered great in American History (well, i guess it just depends on how much he accomplishes). He has more to face then most US presidents have.

Oh, and the groan wasnt for expressing your opinion, but the manner that you did. The groan was an expression of how i disapproved with how you expressed yourself.
__________________
Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think of you.
Reply With Quote
This user groans at PatriciaNBern for this post:
  #11  
Old 14.11.2008, 00:00
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Obama & Financial Crisis

In regards to social accomplishments, he's already accomplished quite lot even before his inauguration. He has become known for breaking barriers. Let's see if he can live up to the legend. In regards to economics, these barriers hamper productivity. There are large pockets of the 'states that have not reached its potential. If he just gets some circulation into some of these areas, and perhaps put America on a diet, the 'states will get back on its game.

Unfortunately, human interest stories such as these naturally come with a tragic element. I just hope none of the gain is lost through any personal failures of his own.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 14.11.2008, 06:55
gbn's Avatar
gbn gbn is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Zuri Oberland
Posts: 2,753
Groaned at 107 Times in 73 Posts
Thanked 2,424 Times in 1,138 Posts
gbn has a reputation beyond reputegbn has a reputation beyond reputegbn has a reputation beyond reputegbn has a reputation beyond reputegbn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Obama & Financial Crisis

Quote:
View Post
... He has become known for breaking barriers....
Can you clarify this please?

Unless you mean first black president, highest campaign spending, best use of internet, record for number or times saying "change"... but anything more substantial and beneficial fot Illinois, the USA or the world?
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 14.11.2008, 15:08
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Obama & Financial Crisis

Quote:
View Post
Can you clarify this please?

Unless you mean first black president, highest campaign spending, best use of internet, record for number or times saying "change"... but anything more substantial and beneficial fot Illinois, the USA or the world?
Yes, sure. He's been able to transcend political and social boundaries. His approach garners respect from both sides of the aisle.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 14.11.2008, 15:45
herc82's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,624
Groaned at 10 Times in 9 Posts
Thanked 975 Times in 605 Posts
herc82 has a reputation beyond reputeherc82 has a reputation beyond reputeherc82 has a reputation beyond reputeherc82 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Obama & Financial Crisis

Quote:
View Post
Bush certainly isnt gonna finish up, so Osama has to try.
Sorry, just a typo - I know - but priceless

To add to the topic - I think he has the potential to be one of the most disliked presidents of all... he has such a sh*tload to clear up and repair/rebuild, I don't think he will have time to be nice to anyone.

One can just hope that the American people will help him instead of trying to stand in the way of change (POV from an uninformed spectator..)
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank herc82 for this useful post:
  #15  
Old 14.11.2008, 15:52
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Obama & Financial Crisis

Quote:
View Post
To add to the topic - I think he has the potential to be one of the most disliked presidents of all...
Absolutely. Guys like this who have stood in the gap have been known to be crucified.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 14.11.2008, 18:44
PatriciaNBern's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Bern
Posts: 128
Groaned at 8 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 73 Times in 39 Posts
PatriciaNBern has earned some respectPatriciaNBern has earned some respect
Re: Obama & Financial Crisis

Quote:
View Post
Bush certainly isnt gonna finish up, so Osama has to try.
Quote:
View Post
Sorry, just a typo - I know - but priceless


oops... I should change it so no one knows what a doofus I am, but life is more colorful this way.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 18.11.2008, 13:25
amogles's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 12,361
Groaned at 340 Times in 276 Posts
Thanked 26,264 Times in 11,001 Posts
amogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Obama & Financial Crisis

Quote:
View Post
I think Obama has a chance to make himself one of the nations best presidents. He has 2 wars on his hands and a world economic crisis. I think he will do well. He has his priority list. I am eager to see if he will be a modern day JFK.
Seeing how bad things are, they can really only get better. So it's actually quite easy for him to deliver some improvements and take the credit. The real test for him is what he will do in his second term when this bonus has worn off.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 18.11.2008, 13:27
amogles's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 12,361
Groaned at 340 Times in 276 Posts
Thanked 26,264 Times in 11,001 Posts
amogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Obama & Financial Crisis

Quote:
View Post
Can you clarify this please?

Unless you mean first black president, highest campaign spending, best use of internet, record for number or times saying "change"... but anything more substantial and beneficial fot Illinois, the USA or the world?
Yes, I'm very happy America is getting more change. Credit cards just don't have the feel of real money.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 18.11.2008, 14:56
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Bern
Posts: 44
Groaned at 2 Times in 1 Post
Thanked 11 Times in 5 Posts
GregA has no particular reputation at present
Re: Obama & Financial Crisis

Well he voted to rob Americas of 700 billion dollars to bail out the banks - just the same as Republicans. I wonder if his body language will work on the Russians and the Chinese???
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank GregA for this useful post:
  #20  
Old 21.11.2008, 15:59
Texaner's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Zentralschweiz
Posts: 2,047
Groaned at 99 Times in 89 Posts
Thanked 2,985 Times in 1,430 Posts
Texaner has a reputation beyond reputeTexaner has a reputation beyond reputeTexaner has a reputation beyond reputeTexaner has a reputation beyond reputeTexaner has a reputation beyond reputeTexaner has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Obama & Financial Crisis

Quote:
View Post
Quote:
View Post
I think he has the potential to be one of the most disliked presidents of all...
Absolutely. Guys like this who have stood in the gap have been known to be crucified.
He's in nearly the same position as FDR was when he took office.

If he does the right thing, and keeps government intervention to an absolute minimum, he will be disliked by the masses who have been conditioned to mindlessly equate state socialism with "freedom" and "democracy," but he will be doing the healthiest thing for the U.S. and its economy in the long run.

If he does the wrong thing (following in FDR's footsteps) by trying to "solve" an economic crisis by introducing even more debt and arbitrary, unaccountable, bureaucratic meddling, he will be loved by those same conditioned masses while prolonging their misery — and history will be good to him because those who write it and those who do the conditioning are cut from the same cloth.
__________________
"Live every day as if it were going to be your last; for one day you're sure to be right." — Harry Morant

Last edited by Texaner; 21.11.2008 at 18:47.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Texaner for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Financial Crisis Bank News [was: How Safe is UBS?] delite1 Swiss politics/news 2629 15.08.2019 12:29
World financial crisis-Dream Job cancelled newinhere Complaints corner 35 27.11.2008 14:06
Dude, where's the lawsuits? [Financial crisis] dino International affairs/politics 43 26.11.2008 10:37


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 18:04.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0