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Old 12.11.2008, 10:15
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BR Schmid steps down

i admit he had his faults and handled a few topics very ( if not extremly badly) badly, though he was a moderate SVP federal councillor and i fear this will now give the zurich based right wingers a boost and they will try to get Blocher back............
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Re: BREAKING NEWS: BR Schmid steps down

Very interesting ... I had expected him to stay on after the arms budget was approved in committee yesterday.

The SVP will have to make a series of hard decisions soon. Will they promise to behave (including supporting the bilateral route) and be allowed back in the government, or will they persist in playing their rather ineffective opposition games? And, most important, are they willing to sacrifice their supreme leader?

For those who read French, there is a long article in Le Temps: Les premières réactions du monde politique suisse. Too long and interesting to summarize.

What an extraordinary year we have witnessed ...
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Re: BREAKING NEWS: BR Schmid steps down

Not sure if there was some behind-the-scenes haggling... seems more than coincidence since the SVP insisted that Schmid should step down before they approve the arms budget....

Incidentally, there was quite some coverage in todays Tages-Anzeiger regarding the flip-flopping SVP.... maybe they got what they wanted after all....

Interesting times ahead I say...
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...Incidentally, there was quite some coverage in todays Tages-Anzeiger regarding the flip-flopping SVP.... maybe they got what they wanted after all......
There is a poll in Tages-Anzeiger about who would be the next Bundesrat; there are 10 names & only one is not SVP.
How does a party in opposition get to have a Minister?
If they return from opposition having failed to unseat Widmer_Schlumpf they look silly?

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: BR Schmid steps down

Unfortunately I don't follow politics that closely. But honestly, I have no clue what their actual "opposition-politics" looks or feels like - apart from denying the arms budget... Maybe Nathu or Goldtop could elaborate?

Obviously they would want their seat(s) back...but would have to say goodbye to the opposition and, more important, get someone that will reach a majority (as in: not Blocher)

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How does a party in opposition get to have a Minister?
If they return from opposition having failed to unseat Widmer_Schlumpf they look silly?

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: BR Schmid steps down

swissinfo article in english.
Schmid was having health problems and there was the army chief debacle.

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Schmid's departure leaves three options for the People's Party; the single largest block in parliament lacks representation in Switzerland's seven-member cabinet.

According to political scientist Hans Hirter of Lausanne University, it could either re-nominate Christoph Blocher for a ministerial position.

The party could go with another hardliner such as president Toni Brunner or executive Casper Baader, or it could choose a moderate like Bernese parliamentarian Adrian Amsutz or Zurich Senator Bruno Zuppiger.
let's hope it's not blocher or any of the hardliners in SVP ...
otherwise i'm leaving for the US obama(only joking)

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: BR Schmid steps down

Tis summer I was absolutely irked by the whole army mess that was discovered after the Kander rafting accident.
The way Mr. Schmidt handled the whole affair - before it came to the light and afterwards too - was a real letdown. Talk about the principles, hah.....

So when the news flashed on my screen I didn't feel sorry, au contraire.....

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Re: BREAKING NEWS: BR Schmid steps down

Blocher that be good for the swiss. And Blocher tell how it is! Look swiss politics. An how it run?
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Tis summer I was absolutely irked by the whole army mess that was discovered after the Kander rafting accident.
The way Mr. Schmidt handled the whole affair - before it came to the light and afterwards too - was a real letdown. Talk about the principles, hah.....
Did he do such a bad job of it? As far as I remember this was mostly in Nef's hand, same as the fatal accident last year... Now the appointment of Nef himself might be a different story..

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Blocher that be good for the swiss. And Blocher tell how it is! Look swiss politics. An how it run?
While he might be a good manager, he lacks social and teamwork skills (IMHO) - and the way the Swiss government works, this is a major drawback. Not sure what good could come from him now..
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There is a poll in Tages-Anzeiger about who would be the next Bundesrat; there are 10 names & only one is not SVP.
So far the only non-SVP guy is leading with double the votes of number 2.

Be more interesting if they ran a poll with a more representative set of possible candidates.

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Blocher that be good for the swiss. And Blocher tell how it is! Look swiss politics. An how it run?
While he might be a good manager, he lacks social and teamwork skills (IMHO) - and the way the Swiss government works, this is a major drawback. Not sure what good could come from him now..
Whatever, Blocher's policies are against foreigners so we are automatically on opposite sides.
Anybody who thinks otherwise is living in a fool's paradise - Blocher's social and teamwork skills are irrelevant.

Law of the jungle "survival of the fittest" - take every opportunity to decry Blocher while you still can.

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.......same parliament which kicked Blocher out is now voting for the new Bundesrat? ......
Actually not, there are now more people to vote against Blocher like Widmer Schlumpf & the BDP.
Might be good if the SVP put up Blocher; in that case the vacancy would likely be filled from another party.

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Re: BR Schmid steps down

It was a coincidence that I listened to his press conference on the radio while I was in the military. No matter what you think about his political performance, the speech was moving.

The Zurich section of SVP has nominated Blocher (English article). Now it's up to the national party if they want one or two candidates, and if they name Blocher.

Most think that Blocher's chances of becoming federal council are rather slim. (But, to marton: Widmer-Schlumpf can't vote because she isn't a member of the parliaments, and the parliamentarians who have become BDP members in the meantime likely haven't voted for Blocher the last time either.)
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Whatever, Blocher's policies are against foreigners so we are automatically on opposite sides.
Anybody who thinks otherwise is living in a fool's paradise - Blocher's social and teamwork skills are irrelevant.
But is Blocher really against all foreigners?
I think not.
EMS Chemie employs very many foreigners in fact, and even some of the management are foreigners.

I always understood his anti-foreigners rants to be about shoring up his support in right-wing circles.
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Re: BR Schmid steps down

I believe that Blocher actually wants to lose this election.

Look, when he was in "opposition" he went from strength. That was the whole reason the other parties voted him into the BR. They knew that if he had to actually deliver on his promises he would fail and the SVP's support would shrink. This is exactly what happened.

So Blocher has to go back to his victim and underdog role, because that is what he is best at. But to be an underdog and a victim you have to be treated unfairly, and this is why he has to go into the election and lose despite being the best candidate. Everything else he is doing is to help him in that role. The BDP are a useful pupper for performing the backstabbing to re-make the hero.
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But is Blocher really against all foreigners?
I think not.........
I wrote that "Blocher's policies are against foreigners so we are automatically on opposite sides".

About "But is Blocher really against all foreigners"
What is the relevance of his personal views, this is about politics?
It is his policies that could negatively impact some or all of us!

If I were to take an extreme view & say for example that I become unemployed due to Blocher's policies then I am sure my family would be very comforted to know that Blocher has nothing against me personally.

I agree that putting Blocher up as a sole candidate is a signal that the SVP want to remain in opposition. I suppose many SVP'ers are unhappy with being in opposition but when Blocher has his hand on the money tap it becomes difficult to disagree.

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Re: BR Schmid steps down

The francophone press reports on an extraordinary scenario for Herr Blocher's election put foreward in Blick. Since I do not read German I will give two French links: Le Matin has Christoph Blocher: c'est le coup à jouer while Le Temps has Un plan machiavélique pour le 10 décembre a peut-être été déjoué.

To summarize very briefly, the Greens have already announced that they will have a candidate. The SVP would propose two candidates, Herr Blocher and Herr X.

None gets an absolute majority up to the third round of voting, when two rules come into play. The candidate with the fewest votes (obviously the Green) drops out, and no new candidates can be proposed. At that stage Herr X goes to the podium and withdraws, so Herr Blocher wins by default

Le Matin is emphatic that this would not work, as the withdrawal of Herr X has no legal value, i.e. the anti-Blocherians could still vote for him. Should he withdraw after being elected a new election starts from scratch.

Tune in tomorrow for the next fascinating installment of the Blocher psychodrama.
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The candidate with the fewest votes (obviously the Green) drops out, and no new candidates can be proposed.
Difficult to see how the SVP could control that. I assume only the SVP would vote for Blocher & if there are 2 SVP candidates then the SVP vote would be split.

Everybody else would split their votes between the Green & the SVP Herr X.

Then the Green would have to get more than the equivalent of say 50% of the SVP vote to stay in; sounds like tactical voting before the final round of voting would easily fix that.

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