English Forum Switzerland

English Forum Switzerland (https://www.englishforum.ch/forum.php)
-   Swiss politics/news (https://www.englishforum.ch/swiss-politics-news/)
-   -   Swiss vote on radical heroin rules (https://www.englishforum.ch/swiss-politics-news/37136-swiss-vote-radical-heroin-rules.html)

Jack 02.12.2008 22:27

Re: Swiss vote on radical heroin rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathu (Post 358366)
Instead of controversial I should've written main issue of the No comitee. However when Switzerland and a few other countries began experiments with heroin prescription ten years ago, they were harshly criticised by the World Health Organisation. I hope the institution has changed its opinion on the subject in the meantime. Personally I agree with Oldhand, to me it's part of a practical solution for a horrible situation.

Agreed...the WHO has been quite critical of Switzerland for their actions on this program, but it is hard to argue with results...perhaps that is why Australia, Canada, UK, Holland, and others have implemented test programs based on the Swiss system. Germany did as well, but the voters refused to approve and extend the program, so it shut down...

Jack 02.12.2008 22:30

Re: Swiss vote on radical heroin rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drsmithy (Post 358473)
The article makes it quite clear that prescription heroin is very much the last resort. It's quite reasonable to believe that people who have made it so far cannot be "cured", at which point their addiction is nothing more than a chronic condition that must be treated to minimise its impact (which is what the program attempts to do).

Not every illness (especially mental ones like addiction) can be "cured", at least not with our current levels of medical knowledge. The question then, becomes, do we treat the symptoms so the sufferers can attempt to lead a mostly normal life, or do we cast them out of society with the feeble justification of "drugs are bad, mmmkay" ?

Very well stated...and exactly correct...

Canadian_dude 08.12.2008 18:56

Re: Swiss vote on radical heroin rules
 
Finally something progressive from the swiss goverment. Most drug policy is utter bunk and is about as usefull as "War on poverty" and "War on terrorism" and actually creates more problems that before.

cannut 08.12.2008 20:33

Re: Swiss vote on radical heroin rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Canadian_dude (Post 362171)
Finally something progressive from the swiss goverment. Most drug policy is utter bunk and is about as usefull as "War on poverty" and "War on terrorism" and actually creates more problems that before.

for over 700 yaers noting progressive came out of switzerland :msntongue:wow

Canadian_dude 08.12.2008 20:48

Re: Swiss vote on radical heroin rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cannut (Post 362231)
for over 700 yaers noting progressive came out of switzerland :msntongue:wow

When Mankind has reached the Moon. Swiss women still couldn't vote.

flow23 09.12.2008 12:18

Re: Swiss vote on radical heroin rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickj (Post 358379)
True, but like I said, I've heard that going "cold turkey" works (or maybe I should rephrase and say that it can work)


and you havent lived here around 1995-1998

http://www.rwf.gr/uploads/photos/needle%20park.jpg

letten

http://www.photowords.com/Photos/Needle%20Park,%201.jpg

platzspitz/park around landesmuseum

the only solution to dry out the black market was to bring up the heroin program.
on SF this summer they showed a report about 10years of closing letten (1998) and all people interviewed,
junkies as social workers, praised the heroin program!

Canadian_dude 09.12.2008 12:29

Re: Swiss vote on radical heroin rules
 
There will ALWAYS be drugs and junkies. Even Iran which lops off the heads of dealers AND users has like a million heroin addicts. So unless you guys want to live in a country run by Taliban with "1984" surveillance tech... it'a a loosing battle. Better to tax and regulate.

I mean just think, would all those nasty Colombian drug lords want drugs to be legal? Of course not. Now ask yourself why you (rethorical) are of the same opinion as them.

flow23 09.12.2008 12:49

Re: Swiss vote on radical heroin rules
 
thats not the question as you can read 2-4times a week that cops did a house raid n found several kg's of smack/drugs. but i would like to see all you expats back in 95... "on your knees" you would pray to clean your area off scum, to stop the burglary, the crime, the shoplifting, the prostitution, the shooting, the living disease!


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 05:14.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0