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Old 17.02.2009, 21:14
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Btw, does anyone else have these moments where you realize the extent of how your protestant upbringing has shaped you in terms of work ethics and that gnawing sense of guilt? Or is it just me having too much time on my hands to ponder how I "feel" all the time (probably because I don't work hard enough...)?
Heh. Interesting question isn't it? I am a product of my upbringing through and through. I've been brought up a Hindu- Hinduism accepts and promotes religious plurality. We have no concept of "There is only one religion, one god, one faith".

Lack of tolerance upsets me.
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Nah. When I lost my belief, I lost pretty much all the baggage, too.

Which was nice.

I can understand why it isn't so easy for some people, though. I had a pretty chilled upbringing without the benefit of whippings, bible-readings and cold showers.

If I'd been brought up by monks I might have a different outlook.
I also felt really relieved when I left the church. Still - there are moments when I can't quite shake the disease.
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It should start from somewhere and slowly going on.
In other words:

"I'm quite happy to let someone drive a bus around a safe, pluralistic country with a message that, while offensive to some people for no good reason at all, is unlikely to get the driver - and more importantly, me - hurt, rather than actually put my money where my mouth is and risk my neck criticising religion in a place where it actually does negatively affect people's lives"

Have I summed your position up correctly, or not?
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Old 17.02.2009, 21:27
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Re: Atheist bus campaign in CH

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"I'm quite happy to let someone drive a bus around a safe, pluralistic country with a message that, while offensive to some people for no good reason at all, is unlikely to get the driver - and more importantly, me - hurt, rather than actually put my money where my mouth is and risk my neck criticising religion in a place where it actually does negatively affect people's lives"

Have I summed your position up correctly, or not?
So you prefer non-pluralist countries stay forever on current status, because if anybody says something different than majority, will be hit or smashed!?
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So you prefer non-pluralist countries stay forever on current status, because if anybody says something different than majority, will be hit or smashed!?
Eh?

I'd answer you if I had a clue what you were on about.
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Old 17.02.2009, 21:33
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So you prefer non-pluralist countries stay forever on current status, because if anybody says something different than majority, will be hit or smashed!?
No, we prefer you put your neck where your mouth is, and take this message of freedom from religious tyranny to places where it matters. Downtown Zurich, I can be a Hare Krishna, a Christian, Jew, Muslim or Atheist without a problem.

How about Saudi Arabia? Would you, yourself, personally, drive that bus there? Wear a t-shirt with that message there? Would you dare?

There are places in the world where women get killed for committing the ultimate sin of getting raped. And the people killing them talk about familial honor, and religion. If you're really keen to be a prophet of Atheism- take your message there, in person instead of waiting for the lifetime or ten it might take for a bus to make it.
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I'd answer you if I had a clue what you were on about.
understanding from your comments is, Galileo shouldn't have said earth is not flat, as it was an insult to many people and would cost him life. yep??
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understanding from your comments is, Galileo shouldn't have said earth is not flat, as it was an insult to many people and would cost him life. yep??
Read my comments again, in that case.
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How about Saudi Arabia? Would you, yourself, personally, drive that bus there? Wear a t-shirt with that message there? Would you dare?

There are places in the world where women get killed for committing the ultimate sin of getting raped. And the people killing them talk about familial honor, and religion. If you're really keen to be a prophet of Atheism- take your message there, in person instead of waiting for the lifetime or ten it might take for a bus to make it.
the aim of this campaign is eventually, exactly to avoid what you are mentioning above happeining in relig. places.
More countries doing the campaign, the more likey one day can reach those hard countries as well (though it may take ages unfortunately)
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Old 17.02.2009, 21:44
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the aim of this campaign is eventually, exactly to avoid what you are mentioning above happeining in relig. places.
More countries doing the campaign, the more likey one day can reach those hard countries as well (though it may take ages unfortunately)
I think giving my money to women's aid charities, and education programs, and work training programs are far more likely to achieve a positive result than donating to a Bus.

You're the Atheist, the rationalist. Tell me which will get faster results? A bus running around in Switzerland, or money being sent to Afghanistan to build schools for young women?
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"doglas's dinner" and "InShan": By the way do you have automatic "THANKS" set on each other ?
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"Live and let live". How's that for a slogan?
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"doglas's dinner" and "InShan": By the way do you have automatic "THANKS" set on each other ?
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Stop whining and make your case.
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Re: Atheist bus campaign in CH

I am happy that a new discussion on religion vs atheism has emerged to supplant the stale and worn-out Israel vs Palestine thread, although the subject has already been debated at length in the past. I therefore hope that new angles to the argument will be developed (the introduction of a bus as a focus of attention is a good idea) and that the two parties will engage in creative back-and-forths for the enjoyment of casual readers and faithful spectators alike.

This thread has potential. I pray (to remain on topic) it will not be closed too soon.
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Old 17.02.2009, 22:43
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I am happy that a new discussion on religion vs atheism has emerged to supplant the stale and worn-out Israel vs Palestine thread, although the subject has already been debated at length in the past. I therefore hope that new angles to the argument will be developed (the introduction of a bus as a focus of attention is a good idea) and that the two parties will engage in creative back-and-forths for the enjoyment of casual readers and faithful spectators alike.

This thread has potential. I pray (to remain on topic) it will not be closed too soon.

Ahh, that made me laugh. Thank you!
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Old 18.02.2009, 00:10
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Re: Atheist bus campaign in CH

When the same campaign was launched in the UK there were comments that it would upset religious groups. From what I have read and heard, the opposite seems to be the case. Several religious leaders have welcomed the fact that the campaign has opened up a new line of discussion on religion.

The campaign was challenged through the Advertising Standards Authority on the basis that Atheists could not prove that God Probably doesn't exist. The advert was not deemed to be in contravention of guidelines. This was because they decided that the advertisers were just expressing an opinion.

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The recent atheist bus campaign has been given the green light to continue its run on the country's modes of public transport by the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA).

The ASA received complaints from Christian organisation Christian Voice, among others, claiming that the campaign's strapline, "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life" went against the advertising code on grounds of truthfulness.

However, an investigation was not launched into the campaign as the ASA claimed grounds of substantiation and truthfulness would be impossible to test.

"The ASA carefully assessed the 326 complaints it received. Some complained that the ad was offensive and denigratory to people of faith. Others challenged whether the ad was misleading because the advertiser would not be able to substantiate its claim that God 'probably' does not exist," the ASA said.

"The ASA Council concluded that the ad was an expression of the advertiser's opinion and that the claims in it were not capable of objective substantiation."

A total of £140,000 was raised to fund the marketing campaign, which has been created by the British Humanist Association.
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I know it won't happen in our lifetime (my dream will be to see the bus in those cities), but it will reach one day, so let the wheels run, better slow than nothing.
A sort of a "first coming".

You just need to have faith.

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Re: Atheist bus campaign in CH

As an atheist myself, having entered the belief system rationally and logically, I find this kind of nonsense silly. I've long since realized that there are just as many whack-job atheists as there are whack-job Christians, but it's always a disappointment when my "fellow" non-believers feel the need to proselytize as much as any Muslim or whatnot.*

On the plus side, it looks like it's relatively tame.

*Religions chosen at random and not selected to particularly upset anyone.
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Re: Atheist bus campaign in CH

It really is a potty waste of money (unless of course your a bus owner being paid to drive round with this daft campaign on the side of your vehicle).

I though atheist's believed there was NO god - or rather didn't believe anything. Saying there '"probably" isn't one is such a lame slogan. It's like Christians saying "God probably exists".

As I understand religion, it is supposed to stop you worrying and bring joy into ones life. Thus suggesting there might not be a God is surely more likely to start people worrying, rather that "stop worrying and enjoy life"...
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From today's Guardian:

"The report offers the first detailed indication of how far the government is from meeting its target to cut the number of children in poverty from 3.4 million in 1998 to 1.7 million by 2010. It forecasts that there will still be 2.3 million children beneath the poverty line when the deadline expires."


Why spend money on an atheist message in a secular country where nobody really cares what you believe in.
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