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Yes 30 31.25%
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Old 01.06.2006, 03:02
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Thoughts on European Union

Just wondering what EVERYONE thinks about Switzerland and the EU? Should they join?

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Re: Thoughts on European Union

A bit controversial: never discuss politics, religion etc...
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Re: Thoughts on European Union

Id be able to poll if the question was 'will CH eventually have to join the EU?' ;¨)
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Old 01.06.2006, 10:55
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Re: Thoughts on European Union

I can't vote but I say they shouldn't. These bilaterals are excellent

And btw Germans are OK; it's the Swiss-Germans that're numbnuts. The rest of the country hates them especially the Zurchers
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Re: Thoughts on European Union

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Constroversial only if you don't want change and are Swiss growing up taught to hate Germans (as many in my wife's family seem to), however this pole is for individuals coming from OUTSIDE of the EU whom are now living in Switzerland and might have different views from an outsider looking in.

It's a free world to discuss issues but thank-you for your opinion.
What about auslšnder who are from EU countries?
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Old 01.06.2006, 10:57
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Re: Thoughts on European Union

I don't see anything wrong with having a political debate on a forum.

I'll tell you how the voting will go - Brits will vote no, Irish will vote yes, Germans will probably (but not always) vote yes, Scandanavians will vote no. See what a united bunch Europeans are?

I think there should be more frank and open debate about EU membership in this country. Switzerland's main trading partner is the EU so for business there are plenty of reasons for trying to hack down some of those barriers which have been driving people nuts. On the flipside the Swiss know (though most refuse to admit it) that a lot of their economic prosperity comes from the fact that they have banking secrecy. Such secrecy would be severly attacked in they were to join the EU (and is under significant pressure already). I think the other main reason to oppose the EU for the Swiss is that they think it would also threaten their upside-down micromanaged democracy which they seem to love so dearly (though 60% in a recent poll said it was in drastic and urgent need of reform).

But probably the biggest reason is xenophobia - the fact is they just distrust foreigners. Xenophobia is not just rife in Switzerland, the truth is that it is alive and well all over Europe. Baselboy - coming from a real multicultural community (as opposed to one which thinks it is multicultural but is really one which requires integration) you probably find these attitudes difficult to understand

I believe that Switzerland will one day, in the very distant future, join the EU. If current and previous trends continue the point will come where Switzerland is poorer than its European neighbours and I suspect once people wake up to that fact (which will of course be after it happens) then calls for EU membership will increase.
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Re: Thoughts on European Union

Side note: I don't think this poll should be for non-EU citizens. It should also include EU citizens. In my case I came from outside the EU, but have been here for 10 years (just under half of this was in the EU) and also have an EU pass - does that mean I should or shouldn't vote?
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Re: Thoughts on European Union

I've changed it so we can get everyone's opinion.
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Old 01.06.2006, 17:06
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Re: Thoughts on European Union

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I've changed it so we can get everyone's opinion.
That's great - now should everyone who replied also go and change their text so that this thread makes sense. Looks like now people are complaining about an issue which doesn't exist (EU people not welcome on the poll).

If you edit something in future which has been replied to leave a note in the original text about what changed - otherwise people just get confused.

So anyway, the total is 3 to 1 against so far. I votes yes, so I guess the others all voted no. I originally predicted that the brits would all vote no. Now let's scan the list of posters on this thread.... Gee there's a surprise
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Re: Thoughts on European Union

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That's great - now should everyone who replied also go and change their text so that this thread makes sense. Looks like now people are complaining about an issue which doesn't exist (EU people not welcome on the poll).

If you edit something in future which has been replied to leave a note in the original text about what changed - otherwise people just get confused.

So anyway, the total is 3 to 1 against so far. I votes yes, so I guess the others all voted no. I originally predicted that the brits would all vote no. Now let's scan the list of posters on this thread.... Gee there's a surprise
Hahaha...yeah true.
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Re: Thoughts on European Union

sorry to bust your theory but I didn't vote because I wasn't allowed
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Old 02.06.2006, 11:53
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Re: Thoughts on European Union

And now that you are allowed?
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Re: Thoughts on European Union

As a Brit who is against the EU, I think it's great to be here in this EU free zone, it will be a sad day when the Swiss join up. However with the latest set of bilateral agreements in place they seem to have most of the benefits of EU membership without the commitment to Brussels, so less urgency for them to join in the near future.

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Re: Thoughts on European Union

Hi, I'm a brit who's also English. I'm also somewhat against the EU in its current form. Trying to get a bunch of countries to act as one, when they have very fundamental differences, is somehow not quite right in my head, and personally I also believe doomed to failure. If's difficult to reconcile differences in 1 country for goodness sakes!

Furthermore, if we consider some of the basic rules on the whole monetary union issue, we actually find that most are breaking the rules anyway, even Germany who pretty much put the rulebook together anyway.
Having said all this, lets face it, the EU is in place as it is. I voted yes, because I believe the EU will be stronger with Switzerland as a full member, so I voted on behalf of the UK from this perspective. Will it be good overall for Switzerland? I kind of agree with Mark on this issue and say no - especially with respect to the banking.

What also might make an interesting discussion is in what form a "better" EU might take? I have no idea frankly, but I very much believe that the current machine sucks so much money by its sheer presence that it's fundamentally wrong - it's this bureaucratic approach I find so distasteful.
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Re: Thoughts on European Union

A very,, brit answer. Having worked in most western EU states since 1984, I am a convinced EU federalist, have a gander here: http://europeunited.org

Whether is will be good for the EU if CH joins... perhaps, methinks. CH is rather provincial and xenophobic for my tastes.


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Re: Thoughts on European Union

It is nice that you a federalist, john. It is a shame that you mistake the EU for a federation.

In a federation based on democracy, people vote. Even if they have inferior representative democracy, because they are too dumb to be trusted or whatever, even then they vote to appoint people who vote on law.

If you love the EU so much, tell me who votes for the commission, the one and only body in the EU parade that drafts law and pushes cases through the ECJ.

The EU parliament is a total sham. It has no real power and the only reason it was even created is because the German constitutional court pointed out that the ECJ was claiming to be the ultimate power in european justice at the same time as it was saying it would not hear human rights arguments.

You might want to think about that fact, when assessing what sort of folks like working in Brussels. The ECJ openly claimed to be the highest authority, capable of over riding national courts, and at the very same time it was handing down judgements that dismissed human rights law as irrelevant to its jurisdiction.

Brussels is staffed by folks who think that their economic judgement is more important than your human rights, especially your right to vote. If the EU had been a project started by folks who wanted democracy, why did it take 40 years and open rebellion by the national courts before we even got a sniff at a sham parliament with no powers of making legislation or vetoing new law?

Think about it. The EU is the latest incarnation of the holy roman empire, and it has zero economic credibility. I note folks here talking about how soon france and germany et al are going to be richer than Switzerland, and then swizterland will have to join.

Oh yeah? When was the last time the swiss rioted and burned cars in the streets? What is the tax rate for swiss workers?

The EU elite are not doing away with over regulation by national governments, they are just replacing national government with themselves. One government for another? Well, who do you trust?

All of a sudden the power of referendum become hugely important, nuh?
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Re: Thoughts on European Union

So you play the man and not the issue, hey dougal?

at least you have the front to admit it about yourself.

I am not going to bite, cause you are, as far as I can tell, shorricks lapdog. Now he can at least string a sentence together so that folks respect him.

As far as you are concerned, .... what have you said about the thread topic?

We can trade insults all day, but that would favour your intellect and personality, and leave me at a disadvantage. As with shorrick, i am going to keep demanding that you tell me something of SUBSTANCE regarding this thread. Or, at all.

I have not heard you say anything erudite, inspiring or even clever. Until that changes, you can insult me all you want. You think i take it to heart?

Come on, dude. Say something and be nice. Earn some respect.
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