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Old 25.09.2009, 11:30
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Re: Self Defense in Switzerland

Ok, let say someone try to rape you...

You are on the floor, the guy is on you. He is ripping your clothes off. You try to stop him, push him, scratch him, punch, bite, slap, scream.... Nothing work!!!! You make him more angry...

You feel a rock close your head. You take the rock and hit him on the head. He is knockout. Let say he's bleeding and have a serious commotion.

So are you still under reasonnable acts? It is better to lay there, not move and let him does his job and hope to stay alive after?

Yes, I agree it's a very extreme situation I give here. But this is because it happen every minute all around the world. Is this county will protect me? Will support me if this happen? If while trying to protect myself I kill him with that rock, will I be charge for murder? Or it's will be self-defense like in my country?

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Old 25.09.2009, 11:34
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Ok, let say someone try to rape you...

You are on the floor, the guy is on you. He is ripping your clothes off. You try to stop him, push him, scratch him, punch, bite, slap, scream.... Nothing work!!!! You make him more angry...

You feel a rock close your head. You take the rock and hit him on the head. He is knockout. Let say he's bleeding and have a serious commotion.

So are you still under reasonnable acts? It is better to lay there, not move and let him does his job and hope to stay alive after?

Yes, I agree it's a very extreme situation I give here. But this is because it happen every minute all around the world. Is this county will protect me? Will support me if this happen? If while trying to protect myself I kill him with that rock, will I be charge for murder? Or it's will be self-defense like in my country?

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Certainly self defense in that scenario.

(If you scare him off, then chase him and hit him with the rock while he's running away, that might be a different story.)
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Re: Self Defense in Switzerland

no, for sure not. that do communicate sh1t won't work here. even though a good mighty shout might do some wonders too, apparently.
As always, depends on the circumstances and there better be not too many of those in my life, please.


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Yes, but you're not going to stick around and exchange details with your attacker/attackee(?). The idea is to do enough to give you the chance to get away. If that means immobilising them and getting the fu€k out of dodge, then so be it.
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Personal attacks are not legal questions. You do what you need to do to handle the situation. If you get legally entangled, then that is what lawyers are for.
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Old 25.09.2009, 11:41
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These thread always bring out the armchair ninjas.
Too right - ←← ☐ gives an unblockable 50% opponent damage with Yoshimitsu
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Personal attacks are not legal questions. You do what you need to do to handle the situation. If you get legally entangled, then that is what lawyers are for.
Again, use your brains - if you escalate a situation, you also increase the risk of bodily harm. It depends from one situation to another and you don't want to end up in the morgue.

In doubt, hand over what you got (that's my point of view anyway, you can always replace belongings).

As for other situations, there simply is no handbook to follow, try to do whatever keeps you alive - if you can get away from it even better.
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It sure is. Just the act of someone raising a fist is already an assault. You can protect yourself from that point on.

If they strike and make contact, then it is assault and battery.

I thought you were studying criminology Sada?
In England and Wales, "assault can be occasioned without a physical
attack on another's person".

Scotland draws no distinction between assault and battery, and that
"an assault may be constituted by threatening gestures sufficient to
produce alarm".

In all these regimes, moreover, the act of "merely" throwing a drink
over someone classes as an assault.
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Why would anyone worry about the legal ramifications of self-defense?

An assailant is not likely to press charges against you, let alone, involve the police. They probably have some sort of record with the police already.
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Nil, if something like this occupies your mind, go sign up for a self defense course for girls. I tell you it'll make all the difference in the world to know that you either can defend yourself or that you at least tried to defend yourself. It is as Uncle Max says, in the head, even if he meant perhaps something else, but it does a lot of good to your mindset believe me.


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Ok, let say someone try to rape you...

You are on the floor, the guy is on you. He is ripping your clothes off. You try to stop him, push him, scratch him, punch, bite, slap, scream.... Nothing work!!!! You make him more angry...

You feel a rock close your head. You take the rock and hit him on the head. He is knockout. Let say he's bleeding and have a serious commotion.

So are you still under reasonnable acts? It is better to lay there, not move and let him does his job and hope to stay alive after?

Yes, I agree it's a very extreme situation I give here. But this is because it happen every minute all around the world. Is this county will protect me? Will support me if this happen? If while trying to protect myself I kill him with that rock, will I be charge for murder? Or it's will be self-defense like in my country?

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In England and Wales, "assault can be occasioned without a physical
attack on another's person".

Scotland draws no distinction between assault and battery, and that
"an assault may be constituted by threatening gestures sufficient to
produce alarm".

In all these regimes, moreover, the act of "merely" throwing a drink
over someone classes as an assault.
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Exactly. Even the gesture of about to throw a drink is already an assault.
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Exactly. Even the gesture of about to throw a drink is already an assault.
... in California?
... in the UK?
... in Switzerland?
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Re: Self Defense in Switzerland

... how about a man raising his hand against a woman, is that an assault too ? exact same gesture is it not ?

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Exactly. Even the gesture of about to throw a drink is already an assault.
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Exactly. Even the gesture of about to throw a drink is already an assault.
So in your mind (or your discussion alter-ego's) this would make it OK to break somebody elses nose or knee-cap?
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Nil, if something like this occupies your mind, go sign up for a self defense course for girls. I tell you it'll make all the difference in the world to know that you either can defend yourself or that you at least tried to defend yourself. It is as Uncle Max says, in the head, even if he meant perhaps something else, but it does a lot of good to your mindset believe me.
That is true. It makes a massive difference to you mindset knowing that you'd be able to put up a fight in the most dire of situations.

Of course, no one wants to get into these situations, but knowing how to defend yourself, and how to avoid them is very important.

I recommend Krav Maga. Just do us lads a favour... when you're training, remember that you don't always have to kick your partner as hard as you can for practice. We men have some very sensitive areas...
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I thought you were studying criminology Sada?
I do. I'm at least 3 assignments behind and I don't understand half of it. Very interesting though.
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Again, use your brains - if you escalate a situation, you also increase the risk of bodily harm. It depends from one situation to another and you don't want to end up in the morgue.

In doubt, hand over what you got (that's my point of view anyway, you can always replace belongings).

As for other situations, there simply is no handbook to follow, try to do whatever keeps you alive - if you can get away from it even better.

Brain first - absolutely. The worse reaction in situations like this is FEAR.

I've talked my way threw a number of attempted muggings. It's can be done with Jedi mind tricks. But they were always in English. I'd hate to get mugged by someone who spoke no english.

I did talk my way through a gang of pick-pocketers in Geneva a few months ago. Good thing the assailants spoke English.

But then it does help that I can put on a mean and intimidating look when I want. I guess a theater course in school does have its usefulness.
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Re: Self Defense in Switzerland

Seriously though, my instructors always taught me that the best weapon you have in self defence is distance. The first step is always to get distance between you and your attacker, even if the attacker has already thumped you, your main aim is always to get away from him.

The most valuable technique I learnt is something my instructor called the shifting weight stance. You shift your weight rapidly from one leg to the other. In non martial arts circles it is simply known as running.
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So in your mind (or your discussion alter-ego's) this would make it OK to break somebody elses nose or knee-cap?
No. In the case of a drink, you can certainly evade it, and it is only harmless liquid.

But it is an assault, nevertheless.
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No. In the case of a drink, you can certainly evade it, and it is only harmless liquid.
Unless said liquid happens to be boiling hot.

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The most valuable technique I learnt is something my instructor called the shifting weight stance. You shift your weight rapidly from one leg to the other. In non martial arts circles it is simply known as running.
Haha I like it. Tis true though, ALWAYS run like the wind whenever possible, standing and fighting should be a last resort when no other option is available.
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I like Nikita's style, where she goes for a training session and just smacks her instructor down before he could do even a thing. Great scene
in Luc Besson's version.
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