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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

Oooh, another problem will surface ... I can just see it coming! My beautiful Pashmina shawl ....... if one is not allowed to cover ones head ...... will it become a crime to drape it around my head in winter? I like to do that .... its nice and warm. Attending sports matches I also take along a big fuzzy warm blanket and drape myself with that ..... would that be construed as "body covering" and be verboten?

Perhaps a Dress Code For Switzerland would be more in order than trying to ban certain types of dress?
..... Like Only quilted jackets not exceeding xxxxxx above the knee/ankle, in the following colours.........xxxxxxxx
Head scarves limited to the Designer range available at the following stockists ...... xxxxxxxxx....(Tally Weil, etc)
All full length coats to be xxxxxx grade wool/synthetic mixture and limited to the following designs....xxxxxxx.....
Hoody jackets for teenage boys .......banned? Oh gosh ....well it could solve the problems for security camera crimes.

Just an idea .... to solve this horendous problem?
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Old 11.11.2009, 17:33
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sorry to be pedantic but I don't think that is the case.

Fermentation makes alcohol and distillation purifies it and those are two separate processes. The process of fermentation is very old and we know the ancient assyrians and mesopotamiams had both beer and wine and possibly it is much older than that as primitive man must have discovered that fruit ferments during storage, and the trick of good storage is actually preventing rather than encouraging the fermentation. This was long before the beginning of Islam so you can't claim this as a Muslim invention.

Distillation, which is necessary to extract and purify alcohol and incease its concentration is also quite old as the mesopotamiamsn and ancient Greeks knew about distillation and made frequent use of it (roll on the Monty Python philospher song ...).

What the Arabs did was to provide a detailed documentation of the process and do some early scientific investigation of it. This is not the same as invention although it did lay the basis for improving the process.

Does that mean Sir Issac Newton is irrelevant... Gravity was here a long time before he was, what about Einstein and the theory of relativity?
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to remind you, there are 1,57 BILLION muslims, if islam really meant what you consider, then world would be really in .......

we have a peaceful religion, let us live in peace

we muslims today are fighting against terrorism and we are the bigger victim of terrorism today, stop relating terrorist to any religion becausee they dont have any religion cast or tribe they are just terrorists.
And if 1% of 1.57 bil. believe in fanatic parts of this relig. then the world will be really in ......................
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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

Ah good, thanks! Now I can still wear my Burqa for Fassnacht!!!
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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

Does it mean, we can declare peace and close the thread ?(and continue in any of never ending religious threads ....)
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Does it mean, we can declare peace and close the thread ?(and continue in any of never ending religious threads ....)

No, when the Minaret thing will be over, hopefully with the SVP losing, they will make it clear that they only lost due to some misunderstanding and that the poor people they all are in that party could not finance a real campaign. And then will embark into another initiative, likely be about veils and burqas, in the full knowledge that they then will win. It so will be one of the next topics in this country. Tourists on arrival will be informed at the airports that wearing veils and burqas is prohibited outside secluded areas like toilets, sleeping rooms and "burqariyahs" / "burqaoirs".
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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

Also Widmer-Schlumpf said the Cabinet opposed to any move that seeks to ban construction of minarets--which the Swiss will decide in a popular vote November 29--as it violates freedom of religion and the prohibition of discrimination guaranteed by the constitution. She said she hopes Islamophobia in Switzerland will be over after the November vote.

How perfectly naive
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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

After losing the minaret vote, not only is there the likelihood that there will be a burkha campaign by the SVP, I also expect them to keep watch on planning applications and make objections on a local basis.
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Also Widmer-Schlumpf said the Cabinet opposed to any move that seeks to ban construction of minarets--which the Swiss will decide in a popular vote November 29--as it violates freedom of religion and the prohibition of discrimination guaranteed by the constitution. She said she hopes Islamophobia in Switzerland will be over after the November vote.

How perfectly naive
Believe me, the "iron woman from the Grisons" is not nave, she is lying. Why ? Because she knows that she has brought the ball rolling, and at the time when the SVPlers take up the ball, will then declare not to have wanted any such development. It is a political poker-game of her to stay in the Federal government after the next elections, in spite of only having a 5% party behind her. She already got quite some popularity by her strict ideas about legal affairs including her getting Roman Polanski into custody. Even the SVPlers who hate her for having toppled Mr Blocher then might support her.
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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

Maybe someone has raised this point before, but i'm b*ggered if i am going to read through all 10 pages of comments in a session.

I think when you take on a religion, you actually expect to have some freedoms removed. After all, you are serving God, not yourself. Some of these removals of freedoms we praise - see Chariots of Fire, or Jonathon Edwards refusing to take part in the Olympic triple jump final. Some of them are offensive to some people, such as wearing a Burqa.

It seems to me that as a society, if we preach that we allow all freedoms to all people (provided they don't negatively impact anyone else), we also have to allow people the freedom to have their freedoms restricted by choosing a religion. Anything else would be hypocritical.

If I use an example from my childhood - we often went on Holiday to southern/Greek Cyprus. This got a stamp in your passport which prevented you from travelling to the northern part, or to Turkey in general. There was no nanny state outcry aimed at people travelling to the south, saying you can't go, you are restricting your future choice of destination by eliminating your access to Turkey.

We have to be free to choose to restrict our own freedoms. This is a basic human right, not something to be toyed with by the state.
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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

Finally! I left America cos. I could not stand to eat another Mc Donalds Burger. I support a ban on burgers! I think McDonalds should be tried for crimes against humanity! I cant believe people here pay 15 CHF for that junk!


As for burqas, I do think they are creepy and that they are a symbol of the repression of women in certain cultures. Even though I am usually against draconian legislation, I do think the law would be appropriate.
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Finally! I left America cos. I could not stand to eat another Mc Donalds Burger. I support a ban on burgers! I think McDonalds should be tried for crimes against humanity! I cant believe people here pay 15 CHF for that junk!


As for burqas, I do think they are creepy and that they are a symbol of the repression of women in certain cultures. Even though I am usually against draconian legislation, I do think the law would be appropriate.
As I do not agree with Mrs Widmer-Schlumpf in her statement that there are not many veiled (burqaed) women around in Switzerland (she lives in Chur and Bern and not in Glattbrugg, ok) all to me depends on the details of the initiative. If halfway acceptable they will get my YES-vote, not least in support of all those women who are pressed by fathers, or husbands or brothers to wear that gear, and in favour of civil secular liberties everywhere. I will do so with same personal reservation with which I voted for the smoking ban.
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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

Regardless of the relgion if you go through the above mails all you could note is that, the more civilized people think they get, more their thinking retrogade towards the stone age ,where people use to walk around knowing not much about clothes. Strangely, here the argument seems to be against women, who coveres her beauty realizing the true value and power of it,Compare this with people who do not mind going to any level advertising herself to her own benifit in a less respectable way. Remember the early Ninteen hundreds were Most of Europe were much better clad. And now atleast in winter there seems to be less of a choice almost all of us , dress looking not much different than a "burqa" . What a Joke !

Indeed it is better to give some thought to the purpose of decent dressing before critisicing something else out of sheer ignorence and insecurity.
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Regardless of the relgion if you go through the above mails all you could note is that, the more civilized people think they get, more their thinking retrogade towards the stone age ,where people use to walk around knowing not much about clothes. Strangely, here the argument seems to be against women, who coveres her beauty realizing the true value and power of it,Compare this with people who do not mind going to any level advertising herself to her own benifit in a less respectable way. Remember the early Ninteen hundreds were Most of Europe were much better clad. And now atleast in winter there seems to be less of a choice almost all of us , dress looking not much different than a "burqa" . What a Joke !

Indeed it is better to give some thought to the purpose of decent dressing before critisicing something else out of sheer ignorence and insecurity.
Defending the right of women to wear the clothes in which they feel comfortable is reasonable.

To do so by accusing those who choose to dress in a different manner of dressing like something from the Stone Age is merely insulting, and does your cause no good at all.

Now go and tut yourself to death outside a brothel. We'll have none of this ill-considered illiberal nonsense here, thank you very much.
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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

i think everybody should be forced to wear it. it would save me a lot of ironing...
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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

Ooops !! I did not mean an insult. My sarcasm was only directed towards the insensitive, my apologiese to the rest. In fact, I did get a little mixed up after reading 2-3 threads related on the Burqa , specaily the one in which a man was frightened seing somebody in burqa in the middle of Bahnhoff strasse! Hey imagine the embarsssment this lady must have faced then and after that again making it a big issue over here. Actually my reply was for that thread which got mixed up with this one.
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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

I gonna start a folksiniative to ban the ban Just signe on the dotted line
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Believe me, the "iron woman from the Grisons" is not nave, she is lying. Why ? Because she knows that she has brought the ball rolling, and at the time when the SVPlers take up the ball, will then declare not to have wanted any such development. It is a political poker-game of her to stay in the Federal government after the next elections, in spite of only having a 5% party behind her. She already got quite some popularity by her strict ideas about legal affairs including her getting Roman Polanski into custody. Even the SVPlers who hate her for having toppled Mr Blocher then might support her.
I think she's really quite unbearable but in the case of Polanski she was right.
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After losing the minaret vote, not only is there the likelihood that there will be a burkha campaign by the SVP, I also expect them to keep watch on planning applications and make objections on a local basis.
They already do so, and have been doing so for many years, so that this would be no change. And in regard to the veiling/burqaing/tshadoring ban, they will have the support of most Social Democrats and many others.
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