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Old 17.11.2009, 21:33
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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

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Do we really want a place where ladies take there burka off when entering petrol stations? Why all this spiel? What happens if the person serving is male? How about if other customers are male? Why would anyone want to walk around all the time in public like this in a western country?

It's going back to stone age.
They had petrol stations in the stone age?
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They had petrol stations in the stone age?
No but lot of stones to throw at each other.
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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

You can not run away from burqa from Islamic republics and kingdoms just to come and wear it here in Switzerland.If you think burqas are cool then think of migrating to Islamic kingdoms and republics.
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You can not run away from burqa from Islamic republics and kingdoms just to come and wear it here in Switzerland.If you think burqas are cool then think of migrating to Islamic kingdoms and republics.
Wow. Such a constructive comment. Posts like this have already been made upthread and responded to appropriately.

Why so intolerant? Tolerance serves us all.
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Do we really want a place where ladies take there burka off when entering petrol stations? Why all this spiel? What happens if the person serving is male? How about if other customers are male? Why would anyone want to walk around all the time in public like this in a western country?

It's going back to stone age.



Don't you think if god wanted women to be dressed like that then he would have made all women like this-

Sorry, but I do not quite understand your arguments here. What was mentioned was motocyclists entering a petrol station. If we get a law as we most likely will which prescribes that in such places people have to get off such helmets by consequence so be it. It is called "Vermummungsverbot".

Quite to the contrary of your assumption, it means that woman are NOT allowed to wear clothing as you show them in your post, simply NOT, not at all !
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Old 18.11.2009, 01:21
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So? I said the same thing. I don't get it what are you trying to say here.
Well possible, but somebody above had doubts that Arabs were important in this respect
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I wouldn't agree totally as different religions and cultures have different attitudes to investigative thought and inquiry.

So whereas the Qu'ran prohibits the consumption of alcohol, and arguably by extension its manufacture, it is remarkable that the arabic scientists in question were allowed to perform their investigations without being persecuted (actually they were encouraged and supported). Maybe had they been born in a different place and a different age they would have been put to death for merely suggesting the idea.
While few Imams will ever agree on it, a good part of Muslims around the world see beer as good for the nerves, wine good for the general being, Araq and Pastis and Ouzo as good for the digestion, and so the whole stuff as a kind of "medicaments". At the other end, very strict Muslims even oppose beverages or meals which were produced either with alcohol or with any pork-produce. By very strict criteria, few "western" gastronomy products are either Halal or Kosher.

Islam in the days of those scientists was relaxed, relaxed as usual in fact. But THIS saying is generalization, as you even in those times might have found zealots in some places, but they could not yet travel across the globe as it is fact today
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You can not run away from burqa from Islamic republics and kingdoms just to come and wear it here in Switzerland.If you think burqas are cool then think of migrating to Islamic kingdoms and republics.
Most Muslim Republics do not allow burqa-wearing. If a woman goes veiled into a government office in Cairo, she will get fired.

If you base your idea of a Muslim republic on the one of Iran you simply got it all wrong
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Iranian women don't wear burkhas!
I think it is women in Saudi Arabia.In Afghanistan it is the Chadri. In Iran it is the chador. Chadors don't cover the face, although some women will draw it across like a curtain to hide their faces. Most Iranian women choose a loose headscarf called a roosari.

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Iranian women don't wear burkhas!
I think it is women in Saudi Arabia.In Afghanistan it is the Chadri. In Iran it is the chador. Chadors don't cover the face, although some women will draw it across like a curtain to hide their faces. Most Iranian women choose a loose headscarf called a roosari.

"Burkha" in Switzerland has degenerated into a slogan word. What in political terms is meant is everything from veil to chador. Of course also that "mask" some women in some areas around the Arabian Gulf still are wearing. And to some extent also the headscarf.
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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

Why is this thread going more towards religious basis . Is it regarding a women covering their beauty or is it that we are unnessasarily tring to put our nose into somebodies belief in a religion.

We could suggest them to wear some different colors or listen to women who are forced to wear it , but should not stop them from their belief if it does not hurt anybody.

Its true that Islam doesnt impose on any particular colour to be worn but besides all this there is a beautiful reason behind it , As God himself has given all men and women to get attracted to each other. This is to give the joy of true companionship in this otherwise difficult world . We can see In this way, it helps a man to find his girl very easily because if he marries a girl who covers her self in front of others, for sure you could make half of your heaven here with the biggest satisfaction that you have your girl who is always waiting only for you and all for you. Its quite difficult to understand . But if the whole world is so, only then it is more practical, but again its also individual intrest which you cant be arguing with. At present we could find a lot of cases where women are being forced to put Burqa for selfish reasons, Ignoring the fact that Men are subjected to give equal respect for women in covering herself for him. There are many quotes in Quran where it says equally for men and women to lower their gaze when in front of people other than the relation which is discribed. But nowaday the rules are made more strict more on women alone.

Me being A Muslim, I always was afraid that I will be forced by my husband to wear a burqa, before marrying. But after geting married I found him not much strict on these. Then at the beginning I was glad but later I had doubt why is he not requesting me to even cover my head.wow! On the other hand myself found it embarrasing to openly tell our freinds and colleages each time that pleeeeease dont hug me and please dont greet me so, specially meeting them after a long time, we do not want to hurt them , but have to openly explain them that I am only for my husband to touch. I also was sure and told them that this definitly is going to make your companion happy that she dont have to be worried of you anymore. Infact in Qran it says the punishment for a man touching somebody else's women other than his own companion or his allowed near relations is a nail driven through the forehead. UHH! Why should I give him that punishment?

Besides all this, my husband who always was a normal friendly person, had started to copy me respecting how I reacted , by valueng each other . And now both of us have to let our new friends, know about our belief and culture each time . Perhaps wearing a BURQA , would automatically transmit and explain the message and get with it the requested respect. In such case dont you think it is unfair to ban it ! .In chritianinty we have nuns and preists who do not even marry and dress conservatively , and also jews who dress in particular way , and so does buddist monks but should we not let them live the life they have choosen without hurting them unnessarily?

I am sure many would have different opinions and spring up points to redicule, but this is my belief and I find peace in it.

But then I definitely wont be wearing a black Burqa ,ha ha ha




PS- I have found an ugly face posted in this thread with a hairy face saying that -if God wanted the Burqa ,he would have made all women like that. But then, it is mostly beautiful and blessed faces which lay protected behind the veil.



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PS- I have found an ugly face posted in this thread with a hairy face saying that -if God wanted the Burqa ,he would have made all women like that. But then, it is mostly beautiful and blessed faces which lay protected behind the veil.
If you can learn to look past the fuzz then hairy women can be very beautiful as well.

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Islam in the days of those scientists was relaxed, relaxed as usual in fact. But THIS saying is generalization, as you even in those times might have found zealots in some places, but they could not yet travel across the globe as it is fact today
Yes, and that led to some great discoveries. But somehow greater scientific progression was not achieved in later generation as might have been possible given the knowledge and educational base those people had.

Religion has often opposed progress and sadly it still continues.
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Infact in Qran it says the punishment for a man touching somebody else's women other than his own companion or his allowed near relations is a nail driven through the forehead. UHH! Why should I give him that punishment?
Pardon my ignorance, but can please tell me where is such punishment prescribed in Quran?
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Pardon my ignorance, but can please tell me where is such punishment prescribed in Quran?
Is there any source where one can make full text searches of Bible, Quran and Jewish/Hindu/buddhist texts in English?

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Yes, and that led to some great discoveries. But somehow greater scientific progression was not achieved in later generation as might have been possible given the knowledge and educational base those people had.
Centuries of wars and colonial rule certainly left their scars.
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Is there any source where one can make full text searches of Bible, Quran and Jewish/Hindu/buddhist texts in English?

Google books?
For Quran, you can try

http://www.harunyahya.com/Quran_tran...tion_index.php
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the punishment for a man touching somebody else's women other than his own companion or his allowed near relations is a nail driven through the forehead.
Now you see I'm not so sure about all this sharia stuff as a whole but this bit perhaps for politicans in the UK only would make for some interesting news broadcasts. Im sure Sir Nicholas Winterton would be regretting his wandering hands if it meant he had to stand down at the next election to have a nail taken out of his head... (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol..._On_Her_Bottom)
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Now you see I'm not so sure about all this sharia stuff as a whole but this bit perhaps for politicans in the UK only would make for some interesting news broadcasts. Im sure Sir Nicholas Winterton would be regretting his wandering hands if it meant he had to stand down at the next election to have a nail taken out of his head... (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol...On_Her_Bottom)
"Path to Hell is paved with good intentions"
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Is there any source where one can make full text searches of Bible, Quran and Jewish/Hindu/buddhist texts in English?

Google books?

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/

and here Bible and Koran together

http://etext.virginia.edu/relig.browse.html
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