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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

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Granted, I would like to see someone walk down a city Saudia Arabia in a mini skirt and boob tube and survive, but aren't the 'superior' western countries suppose to be setting an example?
I'm imagining someone wandering around with a television around their midsection now. That's what I think when I hear boob tube.

In terms of banning being forced into a burka, that'll never happen. Many women will continue to wear them because they don't want to be disowned from their families or ostracized in some unofficial capacity. The families and the women will say its the woman's choice, but she will have to face the consequences of the family.

I'm not saying they should ban the burka. Many people do legitimately believe that it helps them follow their religion if they are covered up. Education and understanding are the only way to change something like that. Being militantly against them doesn't help anything.
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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

Can we ban grey and black while we're at it?
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It is however unpractical for job roles which require facial expression. You would agree that it would be alright for the state to force people not to wear it if their job role required reasonable use of facial expression ?
I advocate that we should have a choice and not where and when it is worn.

Which jobs require facial expressions? The fact that a number of people are prejudiced against this type of clothing means that it is perceived to be hostile. If we were more accepting of it, why can't someone be in customer service?
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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

These kind should be banned.





This I don't like but should not be banned unless it is for govt. institutions where other religious symbols are also not allowed either (Crosses, Hindu dots etc).

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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

State should not directly or indirectly support or promote any religion.
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These kind should be banned.





This I don't like but should not be banned unless it is for govt. institutions where other religious symbols are also not allowed either (Crosses, Hindu dots etc).

One of the most compelling arguments I have heard for banning anything [irony]!
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State should not directly or indirectly support or promote any religion.
By the way we live in Switzerland where the state levies a 'church tax'... State and religion are fundamentally linked it is almost impossible to separate the two.

I am a non believer of both the church and the monarchy but my national anthem is 'god save the queen'...
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I advocate that we should have a choice and not where and when it is worn.

Which jobs require facial expressions? The fact that a number of people are prejudiced against this type of clothing means that it is perceived to be hostile. If we were more accepting of it, why can't someone be in customer service?
Teaching very young children and infants, who have not yet grasped language and rely on facial expression as much to determine the emotion their teacher is conveying to them.
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How about banning these
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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

So, would it be OK if a policeman or ticket inspector asks a veiled woman to reveal their face to assure their identity?
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How about banning these
I understand that as a typical Pakistani you can't stand Hindus. Which is fine but are the ladies in the photo covering their face? If they are and their facial expressions can't be seen and if there are security concerns the YES ban them too.
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Re: Switzerland could ban burqas in future!

These are women wearing burqas.

The other images were not.

'Popular' in Afghanistan and NW Pakistan.


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I understand that as a typical Pakistani you can't stand Hindus. Which is fine but are the ladies in the photo covering their face? If they are and their facial expressions can't be seen and if there are security concerns the YES ban them too.

i can understand as a typical something you have issues and i dont have any problem with those dresses but i am trying to show you there are many things out there that could be discussed and may hurt your or others feeling

P.S: i am not against nuns wearing apostolnik or indian wear that thing or chinese wear there traditional dress ...
P.P.S i have MANY hindu friends, they respect my beliefs and i respect their

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Teaching very young children and infants, who have not yet grasped language and rely on facial expression as much to determine the emotion their teacher is conveying to them.
Burqas only need to be worn in the presence of men and those wearing them will often take them off when children and infants are around...
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These kind should be banned.





This I don't like but should not be banned unless it is for govt. institutions where other religious symbols are also not allowed either (Crosses, Hindu dots etc).

Why should it be banned? Who has the right to tell anyone what to and not to wear?

I am Muslim and I don't believe in the wearing of the full covering or just the headscarf in western society. I believe it attracts more attention to the person which is counter productive to the purpose of the headscarf.
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So, would it be OK if a policeman or ticket inspector asks a veiled woman to reveal their face to assure their identity?

Police in a lot of countries wear sunglasses to hide away, ever tried asking a policeman to remove his sunglasses? Doesn't work in Australia for sure....

Try asking for a iD card?

I do not advocate that every position should allow the burqas to worn, but I do advocate that people should have the choice to wear it. If they choose to wear it then they must accept that there are consequences to their actions.

If I have a tattoo on my forehead that say 'F%ck the Police' I can hardly apply to become a policeman and complain when I dont get accepted...
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Burqas only need to be worn in the presence of men and those wearing them will often take them off when children and infants are around...
But that gets a bit unenforceable doesn't it - what happens if there is a male relative of an infant in the nursery ? Does the burkha wearer then refuse to remove the veil to the detriment of the group of infants.

I have no - absolutely none - objection to people wearing it on grounds of religion, non-religion, fashion, disabliity or just because they are "into it" - but I think there are cases such as these where the state, or the law or whoever is in charge can say "yes, in this role your facial expression is required and you are obliged to remove your burkha for this job role, and if you disagree to this you are not considered a candidate for this position".

Im being very specific because i think (though I can't find the article) this came up in the UK, and the UK sided with the job role function, which is a relief.
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Burqas only need to be worn in the presence of men and those wearing them will often take them off when children and infants are around...
not always, as they may need to vouch for the fact that, for example in a classroom, other (Male) teachers may come in or pass by the windows. Is a matter of personal judgement and there are not clearly defined lines
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Police in a lot of countries wear sunglasses to hide away, ever tried asking a policeman to remove his sunglasses? Doesn't work in Australia for sure....

Try asking for a iD card?

I do not advocate that every position should allow the burqas to worn, but I do advocate that people should have the choice to wear it. If they choose to wear it then they must accept that there are consequences to their actions.

If I have a tattoo on my forehead that say 'F%ck the Police' I can hardly apply to become a policeman and complain when I dont get accepted...
Hm, a good way to write a lot without saying anything...
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Why should it be banned? Who has the right to tell anyone what to and not to wear?
A full burka is a security concern and it is not a very social outfit that supports integration and mixing of people. If full burkas are allowed in schools and other public places then so should Dart Vader outfit.

If I want to visit my IT customer wearing Darth Vader suit then my employer should not stop me from doing so. What is the difference?

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