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Re: [Minaret Ban]What would have happened in your native country?

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Populations do move around quite a lot, and the Greeks were distinct from the Turks who had moved in from the East.

As another example, the Magyars formed another specific group who moved in from the east, remaining there until today, bringing their language and delicious goulash with them.
So basically we are just fighting against our own distant cousins in a way, with various pretexts and justifications
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Old 30.11.2009, 19:40
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I'm sure if you wanted a vote on "Can I build a church?" in Iran or Saudi Arabia or Syria you would get stoned or hung by the first person you asked for a signature. So I'd say fair play the Swiss. Personally, I really don't like when things are very one-sided.
There's that false logic again. I don't like they way they do things .... so I'll act exactly the same way out of spite. Hmmmm.

As for Syria, you've betrayed your absolute lack of knowledge on the subject. Syria is one of the classical Christian nations, and continues to be. Quite a few nice churches there.

Christianity is one of the officially recognised religions in Iran with constitutionally enforced representation in parliament. But to your point: unlike you, I don't hold up Saudi Arabia and Iran as role models to follow.
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I actually meant it the other way round. Let them relax their Sharia and stuff a bit and then "we" might think about a referendum to cancel the minaret ban.
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I doubt that Switzerland is or was ever going to lead the Muslim world anywhere. They have plenty of their own leaders.

You could step up to the plate and try leading them. I'm sure you would be more than welcome.
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Boy oh boy. I bet you lot are fun neighbours Here's my view: run the race from the front. Lead by example, to yourself and others. Or are we Sheeple in these here parts?

It's all rather old testament...
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Lead by example, to yourself and others.
On you go.

Just don't expect the Swiss people to do it for you.
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Old 30.11.2009, 19:50
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'They' generally do a fine job. It's a shame those who do were caught napping regarding this latest initiative...
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Christianity is one of the officially recognised religions in Iran with constitutionally enforced representation in parliament. But to your point: unlike you, I don't hold up Saudi Arabia and Iran as role models to follow.
Good call. Christians aren't allowed to be officers in the Iranain armed forces. Something to do with Christains not being allowed to be in a postion of power above any Muslim.
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Good call. Christians aren't allowed to be officers in the Iranain armed forces. Something to do with Christains not being allowed to be in a postion of power above any Muslim.
So the Iranian armed forces are organised by wankers... and that's relevant to the Swiss minaret ban because...?
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Here's my view: run the race from the front. Lead by example, to yourself and others.
It is frustrating when people won't see things the way you want or do things that you want them to do. I understand your frustration.

But you can make an example and lead from the front by opening your house to Muslim worship. Turn it into a Mosque.
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Re: [Minaret Ban]What would have happened in your native country?

Anyway, to answer the original question:

Nothing, because, just as in Switzerland, most people really can't be arsed with thinking about islam, being an utter irrevelance to the lives of everyone except frothy mouthed lunatics.

What percentage of the Swiss population actually voted for this ban yesterday? How many stayed in bed, went to church, or spent the afternoon down the local weinstubli instead?

Normal people simply don't care. I pity the ones who do.
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So the Iranian armed forces are organised by wankers... and that's relevant to the Swiss minaret ban because...?
Yes the Swiss voted to ban Minarets yesterday. Lets stay on topic.

What are your views on the Swiss people democratically deciding to prohibit any more minarets?

I personally think they did it out of a perception of creeping Islamification of the West. Of course you don't believe the West exists so it will be tricky for you to relate to their perception.
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What are your views on the Swiss people democratically deciding to prohibit any more minarets?
I think the minority of Swiss people who actually roused themselves to vote yes on this matter acted out of ignorance and folly.

However, the vote has been passed, and that, as far as I am concerned, is the end of it.

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I think the minority of Swiss people who actually roused themselves to vote on this matter acted out of ignorance and folly.

However, the vote has been passed, and that, as far as I am concerned, is the end of it.
That's right. The Swiss people have democratically decided in a nation wide vote and as foreigners here, well, we have to like it or lump it.

Or go home.
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However, the vote has been passed, and that, as far as I am concerned, is the end of it.
You are English. How do you think the English would vote if given the vote?
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You are English. How do you think the English would vote if given the vote?
Very few of them would vote, as I have explained in my previous post.

Normal people don't give a bollocks about this kind of stuff. Only frothy mouthed lunatics seem to care about the religious choices of their neighbours.
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You are English. How do you think the English would vote if given the vote?
You don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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Very few of them would vote, as I have explained in my previous post.

Normal people don't give a bollocks about this kind of stuff. Only frothy mouthed lunatics seem to care about the religious choices of their neighbours.
But you seem to have cared about it very strongly in previous exchanges that you have had on this board.

Anyway, the Uk poll results are mixed.

Here is one from 2006:

A YouGov survey for The Daily Telegraph published on Friday shows that 53 percent feel threatened by Islam and see it as a threat to the West.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull
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But you seem to have cared about it very strongly in previous exchanges that you have had on this board.
I care strongly about the principle of live and let live.

Your socialist notions of control and conformity are antithetical to my belief system, which is why I might have voted against this proposal, had I been able to vote. Or, on the other hand, stayed in bed.

That doesn't, however, change the fact that most people don't give a bollocks either way.
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A YouGov survey for The Daily Telegraph published on Friday shows that 53 percent feel threatened by Islam and see it as a threat to the West.
Yeah, but would they get off their arses on a grey Sunday afternoon to vote on the matter?

I doubt it.
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I think the minority of Swiss people who actually roused themselves to vote on this matter acted out of ignorance and folly.

However, the vote has been passed, and that, as far as I am concerned, is the end of it.
Careful about painting the whole canvass with one stroke. I am one of those so called "Swiss people" (actually a naturalized Swiss citizen from the good old USA) who cast his first vote on this occasion. I voted no, as did my (naturalized) Scottish wife.
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