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Old 30.11.2009, 22:24
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Re: [Minaret Ban]What would have happened in your native country?

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The tyranny of the uninformed majority is no democracy.
Its better than no democracy at all of course.
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Are you sure you aren't calling the Kettle black or are you allowed to throw things out while condemming another poster who supplies polls?
My god, all these polls and how you present the results. Let me twist it my way:

45% (almost half) of Britons do not think that muslims are a threat to security with 17% being unsure.

78% would not vote for BNP

59% of Britons thought it possible to be both a Muslim and a citizen of their country

26% of Britons think that Muslims in their country do not have enough power

and this is only on this page. What else? You posted on another thread that something like 15% of muslims think that sept.11 was justified. Well, what would the number be for non-muslims? Surely it can't be much closer to 0%. And by the way, how many americans believe that there is a conspiracy behind sept.11? Sorry... polls are interesting, but have to be taken with a pinch of salt.
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Old 30.11.2009, 22:34
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Re: [Minaret Ban]What would have happened in your native country?

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It just strikes me as strange that people who had parents who fled from oppression could then become so radicalised against their adoptive country.
Exactly, that is the point. WHY? dont think it is only in UK or other western countries, it is in many parts of the world, different religions, and political views too. Why normal educated people become so radical? what ignites this extreme thinking? what are they missing? who educate them?...etc.

not sure that further obbression is the solution really.

When a country opens the door for immigration they need to understand the responsibilities that comes with it, basic needs of those people extend beyond food and shelter, they need worship places, respect, having equal opportunity in emplyment,...etc. I believe there are countries with very good integration programs like Canada and New Zealand where they can be benchmarked against.

this reminds me with my favourite PC game "CIVILIZATION" I had to build tembles all over the place to make people happy , what is the latest version anyway?

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My god, all these polls and how you present the results. Let me twist it my way:
Actually, I just copied and pasted out of the articles. The links were provided for you to see that yourself. If you don't like the way the articles were written, take it up with the Financial Times etc.

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and this is only on this page. What else? You posted on another thread that something like 15% of muslims think that sept.11 was justified.
No, that wasn't me. You are getting me mixed up with another poster. I have never posted anything about 9/11.
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No, that wasn't me. You are getting me mixed up with another poster. I have never posted anything about 9/11.
My bad . I was referring to your post about 7/7 in the burkha thread.
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Old 30.11.2009, 23:02
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BTW:
only for information:
check the link, although it is in Czech language, the result of web-voting at the end of the website is more than clear... the website is about the results in Switzerland and discussion about that...

http://zpravy.idnes.cz/svycari-v-ref...zahranicni_ipl

ANO = dissagree with minarets
NE = agree
The number of Muslims back home is probably different than here. I know it does not really change things. I also do not consider IDnes readership to accurately represent what the country thinks about the issue. Bur when I searched Respect that I normally read, I found their article dissappointingly superfitial.

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Old 01.12.2009, 00:29
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Some practical rules should be made to take actions against hate mongering Imams
Hate mongering imams in Switzerland?
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Old 01.12.2009, 00:43
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Hate mongering imams in Switzerland?
http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/20...orted-for.html
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The same action should be taken against hate mongering SVP members.
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Re: [Minaret Ban]What would have happened in your native country?

Hi Guys I am new here. I am from Bern and I am from Morocco an Islamic country where other religions than islam are highly protected. A lot of churches and synagoges are present in Morocco. There are so many of them that i even can't count them while the presence of christians and jews is very limited. So all the people that claim there is no islamic country with churches and synagoges is lying. I also know that a lot of other Islamic countries like Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, Algeria and Tunesia have the same. Here some nice churches in Morocco. And all very big.


Church in Khouribga, Morocco


Catholic Church in Tangier, Morocco

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Re: [Minaret Ban]What would have happened in your native country?

Funny, I wonder if anyone was prosecuted for that statement, rather than the People's Party merely suggesting it was counter to Swiss law and sending out a press release?

On a similar but separate note, an awful lot of Arabic rhetoric is considered quite frightening by the West, when it's mostly over-elaborate and - when not calling to arms - rather sentimental, when translated. The tower of Babel had a real effect in dividing people. Try reading some Arabian poetry and see how syrupy it can be. What comes across as sabre rattling by sensitive Western commentators can often be bluster and hyperbole. This is not to defend anyone using inappropriate language and acting responsibly, mind, in whichever camp they sit...
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Old 01.12.2009, 14:46
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Try reading some Arabian poetry and see how syrupy it can be.
There is nothing poetic about following sentence which the Imam was reported for

"Punish the enemies of Islam and to support the brothers fighting in Chechnya, Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine."

I doubt that he was speaking in Arabic so hyperbole excuse does not apply here.

It is not a general image of Islam, but just a simple fact that their communities are not doing enough to weed out such elements. It seems Islamic religious gatherings attract bad apples more than normal chaps. That is what the fear is and it has reasonable background seeing what happened in England where many localities had been Islamified and look like an extension of Pakistan, and not in a good way.
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in England where many localities had been Islamified and look like an extension of Pakistan, and not in a good way.
Would you like to share with us your experiences of living in such 'Islamified' areas in England?
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Re: [Minaret Ban]What would have happened in your native country?

I guess when it comes to the hate mongering SVPs, I can edit your post slightly to read:

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It is not a general image of Switzerland, but just a simple fact that their communities are not doing enough to weed out such elements. It seems SVP gatherings attract bad apples more than normal chaps.

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Re: [Minaret Ban]What would have happened in your native country?

In the UK the loony labour party likely would have given them a grant to build even bigger new minarets...
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Nice to see that the EF Idiot Magnet is nicely polished & in good working order ... can I have my 10 minutes back please ?
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Nick, we might find out soon what Italy would do, as the Northern League is planning to have the same referendum in Italy!

http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/news.php?newsid=134626

The link is in Italian.
I'd have envisioned it. This is a wide spread issue, especially in Europe.
Unfortunately, there are no chances to run through it, 'couse EU hosts mostly corrupted countries in which politicians are more than reluctant to grant real pawer to their people.
Most of the times elite's thinkings are different from common people way fo reasoning.

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this reminds me with my favourite PC game "CIVILIZATION" I had to build tembles all over the place to make people happy , what is the latest version anyway?

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Civ IV with a couple of great mods.
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My wife, looking at me with that "expression" says that I am wrong. There is apparently a Hindu temple in Bur Dubai.

I stand corrected. I must have also missed the hundreds of Hare Krishna worshippers...

if there is a temple/church/gurudwara in Dubai, it must be either inside a mall, or the world's first underwater place of worship...
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Would you like to share with us your experiences of living in such 'Islamified' areas in England?

Why would I live in such places? I have seen enough not to even visit those places again.
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