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Sure, they would then have labels on their doors saying

mit Lehrabschluss / fully licenced / licenciée
I would prefer "Eidg. gepr.", although I would really wonder which Eidgenosse is testing them...
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Old 25.05.2010, 11:57
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I would prefer "Eidg. gepr.", although I would really wonder which Eidgenosse is testing them...
It may sound like a good topic for crude jokes. But some sort of certified instruction might be a good idea. This wouldn't be about the "actual" work of course but focus on such things as avoiding STDs, handling abusive clients and knowing one's rights. This might help reduce abuse.
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Can't say I've ever seen a prostitute in Switzerland.
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I would prefer "Eidg. gepr.", although I would really wonder which Eidgenosse is testing them...
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Will the minimum age for prostitution in Switzerland be raised to 18?

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Apparently the Bundesrat would like to raise the minimum age for a prostitute to 18.

Now that was a surprise to me. Did you that the minimum age for a prostitute in Switzerland was 16? That means many must be about 14. Though 16 is hardly an age to be thinking about earning you cash in this fashion. More likely you are earning for someone else.

Any people with 14 or 16 year old daughters around?
Or, what were you doing at 14?

Is this a tax free income at 14 or do they have to pay VAT as a self employed individual owning a business?*

News article here.


*please be aware that my tongue is firmly wedged in my cheek with this statement. The whole concept angers me to the point of breaking someones bones.
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Now that was a surprise to me. Did you that the minimum age for a prostitute in Switzerland was 16? That means many must be about 14. Though 16 is hardly an age to be thinking about earning you cash in this fashion. More likely you are earning for someone else.
Here you go-

And here we go again.

Edit- D'oh! Thread moved!
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Old 07.06.2011, 18:40
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Oh.

Apparently the Bundesrat would like to raise the minimum age for a prostitute to 18.

Now that was a surprise to me. Did you that the minimum age for a prostitute in Switzerland was 16? That means many must be about 14. Though 16 is hardly an age to be thinking about earning you cash in this fashion. More likely you are earning for someone else.

Any people with 14 or 16 year old daughters around?
Or, what were you doing at 14?

Is this a tax free income at 14 or do they have to pay VAT as a self employed individual owning a business?*

News article here.


*please be aware that my tongue is firmly wedged in my cheek with this statement. The whole concept angers me to the point of breaking someones bones.
I am sure that I read somewhere on EF that the 16 years age limit was only in one or two cantons. Most already impose the 18 years limit
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Apparently the Bundesrat would like to raise the minimum age for a prostitute to 18. (...)
Is this a tax free income at 14 or do they have to pay VAT as a self employed individual owning a business?.
Interesting how the numbers drop in your message... starting with 18, going to 16 the legal age, you just drop a line about not taking the age seriously and you are then at 14, and at the end of your message, you only talk about prostitution at 14 in CH. Very interesting. Can I use that in class please?

On the topic: we had a thread about that a while ago. It is shocking to most of us. The logic is that sexual age of consent must be in line with any legal sex activity, and prostitution is legal when done under the given frame. Note that a 16 y-o. going legally into prostitution will have to undergo the process of help linked to parental authority or social service right to intervene in case of minors in danger (minor is under 18).

But I do understand that it's a strange legal logic. Law educated people, please advise.
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Old 07.06.2011, 18:43
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I am sure that I read somewhere on EF that the 16 years age limit was only in one or two cantons. Most already impose the 18 years limit
No, it's the other way around. I think only Geneva and one other place have made it 18.

The logic is simple: 16 is the age of consent, it is not illegal to accept money for sex, therefore prostitution is by default legal at 16 (there is no actual law about it).

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yeah, sorry.. was just listening to the radio. am a bit stumped by the whole thing.
sometimes i'm a bit sloooow on the uptake - dont spend all day trawling EF see

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I am sure that I read somewhere on EF that the 16 years age limit was only in one or two cantons. Most already impose the 18 years limit
well.. thats good (?!)

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Interesting how the numbers drop in your message... starting with 18, going to 16 the legal age, you just drop a line about not taking the age seriously and you are then at 14, and at the end of your message, you only talk about prostitution at 14 in CH. Very interesting. Can I use that in class please?
Well... when I was 17, I went to places where I should have been 20...
Here you are "allowed" to buy alcohol or cigarettes at.. dunno.. 16? That means you start trying at 14 (if thats what you're after).
I just assume the "managers" of these individuals would also be passing off the "staff" differently to their clients. Unsure if clients are in a position to be asking for, or staff even showing ID. (A school ID for example - which gets you half price on the train(!!))
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Re: Prostitutes should be at least 18 says the Cabinet

Wine, beer and cider at 16, strong alcohol at 18. As a Swiss, i find it really sad that my country does not allow kids ot have a gin and tonic, but can prostitute themselves. A huge difference between have consensual sex and prostitution, no? Especially as teenage prostitution is so closely related to drug use.
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Re: Prostitutes should be at least 18 says the Cabinet

Any website containing pornographic images is only for 18 plus people. So technically, the girl selling her body at 16 is not allowed to access the website with the photos of herself.

I really hope this law passes and I would agree with the Dutch approach. Especially now, with competition making risky practices ever more present, a teenager should not f*** up their life for a paying customer because they didn't realise what they were doing is dangerous.
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Well... when I was 17, I went to places where I should have been 20...
Here you are "allowed" to buy alcohol or cigarettes at.. dunno.. 16? That means you start trying at 14 (if thats what you're after).
No I didn't. At that age, I was in France, and it was very uncool to be drunk. Sex consent age is 15, so it was not really too late for anybody I know. But maybe you are talking about other "you"s.

I am actually only arguing the idea that people always do everything earlier than stated in the law. When it happens in prostitution, it is then a young person in highly difficult socio-psychologic situation and that can happen anywhere, independently of the legal age. There are regularly repports of middle school girls selling sex service to high school students or other middle schoolers to finance consumerism. If you read japanese, three are plenty of material about that, and don't tell me prostitution is liberal in Japan.

And anyway... I was only reminding of the legal logic. I never said it was mine.
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Can't say I've ever seen a prostitute in Switzerland.
you need to get out more after 6pm.......
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Any website containing pornographic images is only for 18 plus people. So technically, the girl selling her body at 16 is not allowed to access the website with the photos of herself.

I really hope this law passes and I would agree with the Dutch approach. Especially now, with competition making risky practices ever more present, a teenager should not f*** up their life for a paying customer because they didn't realise what they were doing is dangerous.
The problem is how to word the law without raising the age of consent.

Also, as I understand it, anyone under 18 can only have sex with someone under 30, and the same should hold true for prostitutes, so anyone 30+ with an under 18 prostitute is breaking the law in any case.

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But maybe you are talking about other "you"s.
She is: in a context like this, "you" is used as one might use "on" in French or "man" in German.

Few people use "one" in this context these days.

So you may rest assured that she was not referring to you.
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Why should it be difficult to keep the age of consent at 16, but the age of prostitution at 18 (or preferably later)?
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you need to get out more after 6pm.......
When in Geneva I often reside at Nash Ville hotel which is in the very center of the red light district and close to central station. I am always amused by the guests with a red face* trying to explain to hotel reception that they can't possibly spend the night in this hotel and need the reception to change booking immediately to another hotel. I noticed that these guests are often anglo-saxon. I almost never heard people from other nationalities complaining

*: one was tomato red and whispering to reception: Sir my wife is with me and I can't possibly have her spend the night here!
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When in Geneva I often reside at Nash Ville hotel which is in the very center of the red light district and close to central station. I am always amused by the guests with a red face* trying to explain to hotel reception that they can't possibly spend the night in this hotel and need the reception to change booking immediately to another hotel. I noticed that these guests are often anglo-saxon. I almost never heard people from other nationalities complaining

*: one was tomato red and whispering to reception: Sir my wife is with me and I can't possibly have her spend the night here!
Having accidentally spent a night as an innocent guest in what turned out to be a prostitutes' hotel (not a brothel, as such, but same difference in reality), I really can sympathise with them.

I didn't get a wink of sleep even with a pillow wrapped round my head!

Some of us would really rather avoid being confronted by this less pleasant aspect of human commerce if we can. I don't blame those hotel guests for wanting to move somewhere else.
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Because there is no "prostitution" law!

Simply, age of consent is 16, receiving money for sex is not against the law.

So, they would have to legally define what is and what is not prostitution, (not any easy task), and then people would have to vote on it!

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