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Old 11.06.2011, 23:27
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Those that I know that do so find it cheaper than marriage or dating (even though they may also be married or dating).

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Re: Prostitutes should be at least 18 says the Cabinet

Can't believe guys go to prostitute cause it's cheaper than marriage....it's such a lame reason. If you tell me it's because of special fantasies or to change from the routine then it is plausible.
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Old 12.12.2011, 23:31
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About you 2 starting with your own 16 year old daughters, or sisters?
Saw an article in our newspaper today which reminded me of this thread.

A businessman in Zimbabwe called for a prostitute to join him in his hotel room. She arrived, knocked on the door and there she was, HIS daughter.
Can you imagine that happening to you if you have a/some daughter/s
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Re: Prostitutes should be at least 18 says the Cabinet

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Saw an article in our newspaper today which reminded me of this thread.

A businessman in Zimbabwe called for a prostitute to join him in his hotel room. She arrived, knocked on the door and there she was, HIS daughter.
Can you imagine that happening to you if you have a/some daughter/s
The human race is very efficient in suppressing any kind of stuff that does not fit its view of the world.
Just think: you know that driving a car is bad for the environment, consumes irrecoverable fossil fuels etc.
Yet, when you sit in a car, it's easy to ignore all this and enjoy the journey.

I would imagine the mechanism works the same for visits to a prostitute.
If you blank-out all the negative stuff, the drug addictions they most likely have, the cheap perfume, the fact that you are most likely not customer no 1 that evening, all the dirt in the street etc. pp. - then, it's probably halve way pleasant (for certain lax and twisted definitions of "pleasant").

In addition, the "profession" is constantly glorified in TV reports on brothels, swinger-clubs, prostitutes, phone-sex workers, web-cam girls etc.pp.

So, I can believe that a certain "weak" personality may fall for it.
I'm not sure if having a daughter actually makes a difference for these personalities.
After all, you often hear reports from prostitutes of customers with child car seats in the back....
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Saw an article in our newspaper today which reminded me of this thread.

A businessman in Zimbabwe called for a prostitute to join him in his hotel room. She arrived, knocked on the door and there she was, HIS daughter.
Can you imagine that happening to you if you have a/some daughter/s
AND ? does it matter whether the girl is 17 years or 19 years old ? The difference of course is a legal one as the 18years-plus-old girl is legally "adult"
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Old 13.12.2011, 01:14
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Re: Prostitutes should be at least 18 says the Cabinet

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Saw an article in our newspaper today which reminded me of this thread.

A businessman in Zimbabwe called for a prostitute to join him in his hotel room. She arrived, knocked on the door and there she was, HIS daughter.
Can you imagine that happening to you if you have a/some daughter/s
Gladly no - I can't imagine (currently) ever paying for sex - but in your example above I think there's something deliciously fair about this businessman realising the nature of the people involved and how close they are to him.
My Mum cared for a lot of the children of prostitutes and they were invariably neglected - someone wrote at the start of the thread that with no education you can't do anything else - tell that to beergarden girls I know who work two and three jobs at a time along with a shift in McDonalds.
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Re: Prostitutes should be at least 18 says the Cabinet

Increasing the age would probably not solve anything, but it will give a message, by saying that it's ok for you to prostitute yourself at 16 it will definitely give the wrong signals to teenagers...

16 years olds are only children, with little or no life experience, and with the new generations growing up and where sex is performed at younger ages something has to be done...

the whole thing is sick, allowing children to prostitute themselves...

just make me think why politicians were so keen on keeping the low age for a long time...

does anybody here really think that women prostitute themselves as an alternative carrier? really?
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AND ? does it matter whether the girl is 17 years or 19 years old ? The difference of course is a legal one as the 18years-plus-old girl is legally "adult"
how about 14 and 16? 12 or 14? 10 or 12? does it matter?
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AND ? does it matter whether the girl is 17 years or 19 years old ? The difference of course is a legal one as the 18years-plus-old girl is legally "adult"
Perhaps if you had a 16 year old daughter, you might understand the difference but anyway, I think you are missing the point.
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Perhaps if you had a 16 year old daughter, you might understand the difference but anyway, I think you are missing the point.

To me, THE point of that "incident" is the mutual shock of them both, the man realising that his daughter was working as a whore, and the girl realising that her father was relying on services of whores. Whether the girl was 17 or 18 or 19 years old certainly was not the point at all.

To "lift" the limit by 2 years may be popular but only shifts the problems a bit. And do not forget, parents of girls aged 16 to 18 have real legal power, parents of girls aged 18 to 20 no longer, unless they pay for their girls.
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Re: Prostitutes should be at least 18 says the Cabinet

Of course Woolie - but my point is not necessarily about age- but about the 'de-personalisation' of prostitution. Each girl (and boy) out there selling their body and sometimes soul, is someone's daughter, sister, grand-daughter- not just a 'robot' prostitute.
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Old 14.12.2011, 13:49
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To me, THE point of that "incident" is the mutual shock of them both, the man realising that his daughter was working as a whore, and the girl realising that her father was relying on services of whores. Whether the girl was 17 or 18 or 19 years old certainly was not the point at all.
Or maybe it's not that surprising. Some families may have more libertarian leanings than others. So whereas no parents would ever tell their daughter that she should become a prostitute, we all lead by doing to some extent. So even if the daughter didn't consciously know her father frequented prostitutes, it may have reflected subconsciously in his values and behaviour and hence in the values he passed on to his daughter.

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To "lift" the limit by 2 years may be popular but only shifts the problems a bit. And do not forget, parents of girls aged 16 to 18 have real legal power, parents of girls aged 18 to 20 no longer, unless they pay for their girls.
But it's a step in the right direction. In Holland they are actually raising the age from 18 to 21. That way the girls will at least get a chance to finish their education or training and have a profession they can come back to making it easier for them to drop out of prostitution and return to normal life. The great danger is that young girls who get into debt through fashion spending and partying identify prostitution as a quick way to get out of debt and back into money but get so used to the lifestyle that they learn to switch off their brains in terms of seeing what is actually happening to them. They don't complete their training or education and cannot go back to living on little money and so essentially get ensnared until they are too old to move back. Just raising the starting age by some years could make a big difference there. Not just because they will have an education and hence access to better paying jobs, but also in terms of mental maturity.
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Re: Prostitutes should be at least 18 says the Cabinet

Well, it seems that it's picking up in the UK: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-16157522

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To me, THE point of that "incident" is the mutual shock of them both, the man realising that his daughter was working as a whore, and the girl realising that her father was relying on services of whores. Whether the girl was 17 or 18 or 19 years old certainly was not the point at all.

To "lift" the limit by 2 years may be popular but only shifts the problems a bit. And do not forget, parents of girls aged 16 to 18 have real legal power, parents of girls aged 18 to 20 no longer, unless they pay for their girls.
Thats not a nice word Wollie
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Thats not a nice word Wollie
At least it's not a tinny word

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Re: Prostitutes should be at least 18 says the Cabinet

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Saw an article in our newspaper today which reminded me of this thread.

A businessman in Zimbabwe called for a prostitute to join him in his hotel room. She arrived, knocked on the door and there she was, HIS daughter.
Can you imagine that happening to you if you have a/some daughter/s
Did he tip her afterwards...?
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Re: Prostitutes should be at least 18 says the Cabinet

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Of course Woolie - but my point is not necessarily about age- but about the 'de-personalisation' of prostitution. Each girl (and boy) out there selling their body and sometimes soul, is someone's daughter, sister, grand-daughter- not just a 'robot' prostitute.
Right you are. But those lawmakers (legislators) talk as if raising the age limit by 2 years would solve the problem(s). Sure, boys at both 16 and 18 in a way still are boys, while girls at 17/18 in a way no longer are "girls" but "Fräulein" . But A) this may rather be a thing of the past, with 16years old "girls" now being "Fräulein" as much as the 18 years old "Girls" . Add to this that the "moralism" evident among many people against prostitutes of both sexes is clearly overdone and unreal. In short, the changing of the laws will not change much of the realities. And what I particularily dislike is that uncountable prostitutes (both sexes) in a way are "criminalized" and not "protected" in reality.
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Or maybe it's not that surprising. Some families may have more libertarian leanings than others. So whereas no parents would ever tell their daughter that she should become a prostitute, we all lead by doing to some extent. So even if the daughter didn't consciously know her father frequented prostitutes, it may have reflected subconsciously in his values and behaviour and hence in the values he passed on to his daughter.



But it's a step in the right direction. In Holland they are actually raising the age from 18 to 21. That way the girls will at least get a chance to finish their education or training and have a profession they can come back to making it easier for them to drop out of prostitution and return to normal life. The great danger is that young girls who get into debt through fashion spending and partying identify prostitution as a quick way to get out of debt and back into money but get so used to the lifestyle that they learn to switch off their brains in terms of seeing what is actually happening to them. They don't complete their training or education and cannot go back to living on little money and so essentially get ensnared until they are too old to move back. Just raising the starting age by some years could make a big difference there. Not just because they will have an education and hence access to better paying jobs, but also in terms of mental maturity.
Here you come to a point where I do not believe in either Samichlaus or Chrischtchind. The young prostitutes do NOT get more education, more training etc, but get criminalized and become outcasts. To the luck of all the prostitutes, girls and boys alike, much of their "sexworker-jobs" are done AFTER school-hours and business-hours. You can regard this negatively, but it in fact is THE positive thing if there is one.
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Thats not a nice word Wollie
Sure, the "politically correct expression" would be "prositute" and in German language a nice old name for it was "Liebesdienerinnen"
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Here you come to a point where I do not believe in either Samichlaus or Chrischtchind. The young prostitutes do NOT get more education, more training etc, but get criminalized and become outcasts. To the luck of all the prostitutes, girls and boys alike, much of their "sexworker-jobs" are done AFTER school-hours and business-hours. You can regard this negatively, but it in fact is THE positive thing if there is one.
Sorry Wolly, but I don't really see the connection between my post and your response. I think you must be about three steps ahead of me. Would you care to explain the missing steps?
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