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You do realise that the people at bus stops are not representative of the whole population of Switzerland don't you?

It is quite possible that more than 20% of women who wait for buses smoke ( and I'm not truly convinced by that) but you can't extrapolate that the mean that more than 20% of women in Switzerland in general smoke.
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http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/e...02/key/03.html
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Old 20.04.2015, 09:32
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Re: a disaster for the smoking lobby

Thanks but where are the figures for bus stops?

I guess Wolli is still collating it.

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Old 20.04.2015, 09:35
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Thanks but where are the figures for bus stops?
Hahaha. Non-smokers don't go by bus. They cycle everywhere. It's a well-known fact.
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Old 20.04.2015, 09:53
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Hahaha. Non-smokers don't go by bus. They use the money saved from not buying cigarettes to buy a Porsche 911. It's a well-known fact.


That was what I thought anyway!
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Old 20.04.2015, 10:13
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Non-smokers don't go by bus. They use the money saved from not buying cigarettes to buy a Porsche 911. It's a well-known fact.

That was what I thought anyway!
Well, I'm a non-smoker, and a vegan (apart from bacon, obviously), and I cycle everywhere. So extrapolate that!
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I find the rampant smoking and lack of consideration for non-smokers to be my least favourite thing about Switzerland.

I am completely in love with most other aspects of the country and its inhabitants.
This. Exactly this.
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Old 20.04.2015, 23:54
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You do realise that the people at bus stops are not representative of the whole population of Switzerland don't you?

It is quite possible that more than 20% of women who wait for buses smoke ( and I'm not truly convinced by that) but you can't extrapolate that the mean that more than 20% of women in Switzerland in general smoke.


the answer to this simply is that I do NOT know. I only trust statistics I faked myself
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Old 21.04.2015, 09:50
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Thanks but where are the figures for bus stops?

I guess Wolli is still collating it.
It is a well known fact that 80% of women and 74 % of men believe that a cigarette smoked while waiting for the bus doesn't count.

This increases to 81 % and 75 % for people with at least one grandparent born in southeastern Europe (as defined by the European Mason Dixie line)
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Old 21.04.2015, 10:00
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It is a well known fact that 80% of women and 74 % of men believe that a cigarette smoked while waiting for the bus doesn't count.

This increases to 81 % and 75 % for people with at least one grandparent born in southeastern Europe (as defined by the European Mason Dixie line)
28% of East European smokers deliberately avoid smoking at bus-stops, purposely to skew the statistics.
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Old 21.04.2015, 10:21
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28% of East European smokers deliberately avoid smoking at bus-stops, purposely to skew the statistics.
That can't be possible! Somebody is fudging the statistics somewhere.

The oracle that is Wolli states that the smokers are ALL foreigners of mostly Eastern European extraction AND smoke at bus stops.
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Old 21.04.2015, 10:36
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That can't be possible! Somebody is fudging the statistics somewhere.

The oracle that is Wolli states that the smokers are ALL foreigners of mostly Eastern European extraction AND smoke at bus stops.
Have you never heard of Schrödinger's Eastern European smoker? Their cigarette both lit and not lit at the same time.
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Old 21.04.2015, 11:05
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Have you never heard of Schrödinger's Eastern European smoker? Their cigarette both lit and not lit at the same time.
Nope but I bet Wolli has.
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That can't be possible! Somebody is fudging the statistics somewhere.

The oracle that is Wolli states that the smokers are ALL foreigners of mostly Eastern European extraction AND smoke at bus stops.
Not all smokers are from the Balkans but 90% of all foreigners from the Balkans smoke.
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Old 21.04.2015, 13:59
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Please don't blame foreigners for smoking – the amount of foreigners we have in Australia is extremely high and yet our smoking levels are right down. The amount of people smoking here blows me away everytime. I see old Swiss women continuously buying smokes – I was pretty surprised to see an old lady with her greys walk up to the counter and request a 10-pack of cigs at Kiosk. She spoke Swiss German pretty well; she was definitely Swiss.

I mean Switzerland definitely has a smoking issue and there is no denying it. I'm not sure about other countries but in Australia, smoking is illegal in schools, restaurants, cafes, public parks, bus stops & train stations – you will be fined by police. Government also has huge taxes on smoking to stop it.

Yet at my Gymnasium in ZH, the only outside areas are all smoking areas and there's even branded umbrellas "Kantonsschule B** Rauchenzone... it's almost like us non-smokers get discriminated here.
Switzerland has a smoking problem? You haven't been to any of the Balkan/Eastern-European countries. I blame the lack of anti-smoking laws.


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Not all smokers are from the Balkans but 90% of all foreigners from the Balkans smoke.
I guess I must only know the other 10% then as none of my friends from the Balkans who live here smoke. Lots of my (proper local) Swiss friends do though.
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Not all smokers are from the Balkans but 90% of all foreigners from the Balkans smoke.
Wolli, some countries do have this problem indeed, but even to me this numbers seem well...false.
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Old 21.04.2015, 14:49
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Wolli, some countries do have this problem indeed, but even to me this numbers seem well...false.
According to the Washington Post article that you linked, above, Serbia has the world's highest cigarette consumption per capita.

According to this paper published in 2010 in the Journal of Public Health, 36.8% of adults in Serbia currently smoke.

According to everybody, most if not all of Serbia lies within the Balkans.

According to me, 36.8%<<90%.

In conclusion, according to all of the above, unless there's some special, secret recruitment drive in place to exhort smokers to flee the Balkans for Switzerland, Wolli's assertion that:
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According to the Washington Post article that you linked, above, Serbia has the world's highest cigarette consumption per capita.

According to this paper published in 2010 in the Journal of Public Health, 36.8% of adults in Serbia currently smoke.

According to everybody, most if not all of Serbia lies within the Balkans.

According to me, 36.8%<<90%.

In conclusion, according to all of the above, unless there's some special, secret recruitment drive in place to exhort smokers to flee the Balkans for Switzerland, Wolli's assertion that:
is yet another example of his racist, insular, ignorant, outdated views.
I would have guessed it was about 30% from adult population, it is a bit more then. Of course, far away from Wolli's 90%. I take it he spends a lot of time in bus stations, trying to figure out where does that thick accent come from.
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Old 21.04.2015, 15:16
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Have you never heard of Schrödinger's Eastern European smoker? Their cigarette both lit and not lit at the same time.
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Not all smokers are from the Balkans but 90% of all foreigners from the Balkans smoke.
Wolli went to a bus-stop, rang a bell, foreigners started smoking
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According to the Washington Post article that you linked, above, Serbia has the world's highest cigarette consumption per capita.

According to this paper published in 2010 in the Journal of Public Health, 36.8% of adults in Serbia currently smoke.

According to everybody, most if not all of Serbia lies within the Balkans.

According to me, 36.8%<<90%.

In conclusion, according to all of the above, unless there's some special, secret recruitment drive in place to exhort smokers to flee the Balkans for Switzerland, Wolli's assertion that:
is yet another example of his racist, insular, ignorant, outdated views.
OK, so maybe 36.8% of Serbians in Serbia smoke. But then again, maybe 90% of Serbians in Switzerland smoke.

But why so many? Perhaps it's the stress of living in Switzerland. Perhaps Swiss fags are better than Serbian fags. Personally, I think it's the negative expectations of the Swiss indigens.

So... this means that Wolli is at least partly to blame.
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