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Switzerland has a smoking problem? You haven't been to any of the Balkan/Eastern-European countries. I blame the lack of anti-smoking laws.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...es-by-country/

I have been to Greece and Hungary where they smoke much more than here. And smoking in cafes, restaurants and schools is illegal here also
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Old 21.04.2015, 23:14
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I have been to Greece and Hungary where they smoke much more than here. And smoking in cafes, restaurants and schools is illegal here also
Maybe they do smoke more in Hungary. They can smoke as much as they want, I don't care.
However, since 2010, you can't smoke in a playground in Hungary but in Switzerland, it's de rigueur for parents to smoke in playgrounds, in the paddling pools in the badis, and basically anywhere where common courteousy would suggest it just wasn't on.

You can't even smoke at tram and bus stops in Hungary.

Switzerland is so very far behind.
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I have been to Greece and Hungary where they smoke much more than here. And smoking in cafes, restaurants and schools is illegal here also
none of the Greek and Hungarian people that I know, is smoking.
using your logic, you would have the following options:
a. nobody smokes in both countries
b. all non-smokers have emigrated
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Old 21.04.2015, 23:45
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Maybe they do smoke more in Hungary. They can smoke as much as they want, I don't care.
However, since 2010, you can't smoke in a playground in Hungary but in Switzerland, it's de rigueur for parents to smoke in playgrounds, in the paddling pools in the badis, and basically anywhere where common courteousy would suggest it just wasn't on.

You can't even smoke at tram and bus stops in Hungary.

Switzerland is so very far behind.

Terrorising the smokers is NOT Progress to me. While I detest the Habit of most smokers to occupy bus stops and tram stations, particularily in bad weather , I DISlike exceedingly strict laws. Such extreme laws force the smokers tp develop alternatives and make the smoking vice interesting for young people as a sort of REVOLT
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Old 21.04.2015, 23:59
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Terrorising the smokers is NOT Progress to me. While I detest the Habit of most smokers to occupy bus stops and tram stations, particularily in bad weather , I DISlike exceedingly strict laws. Such extreme laws force the smokers tp develop alternatives and make the smoking vice interesting for young people as a sort of REVOLT
That hasn't actually happened in countries that have introduced strict laws.

In fact fewer people have taken up smoking.
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Old 22.04.2015, 00:27
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Re: a disaster for the smoking lobby

At the end of the day, smoking's cool, and all you Nazis are losers.

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Old 22.04.2015, 01:00
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That hasn't actually happened in countries that have introduced strict laws.

In fact fewer people have taken up smoking.

few countries demand majorities in direct popular votes
this is one side


Germany has been a Country tonight. AND a Country where the authorities fight against backlashes against the Smoking bans, It Looks as if there is now more Smoking in Germany than in Switzerland, while it was the other way round not too Long ago.


And you may prove that the Fumoirs really increased the Smoking in Zürich




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At the end of the day, smoking's cool, and all you Nazis are losers.

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Smoking may be "cool" or "hot" many cigarettes smokers are neither. When you lit a sheesha, cigarette smokers will complain and tell you that their cigarettes smell well but that sheesha stink. And get angry when you tell them that it is the other way round




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Old 22.04.2015, 05:06
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Germany has been a Country tonight. AND a Country where the authorities fight against backlashes against the Smoking bans, It Looks as if there is now more Smoking in Germany than in Switzerland, while it was the other way round not too Long ago.
Whatever you are smoking - can I have some of it?
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Old 22.04.2015, 08:22
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Whatever you are smoking - can I have some of it?


example, there is a combined sheesha-saloon & Restaurant in Konstanz which had to Close down when the ban came but obviously found Solutions and got re-opened in a different quarter but with the same stuff on offer. Will go there soon to check it up
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Old 22.04.2015, 09:07
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example, there is a combined sheesha-saloon & Restaurant in Konstanz which had to Close down when the ban came but obviously found Solutions and got re-opened in a different quarter but with the same stuff on offer. Will go there soon to check it up
Alright then... report back with your findings please.
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Old 22.04.2015, 11:45
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Wolli went to a bus-stop, rang a bell, foreigners started smoking
You're suffering from pet confusion.

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few countries demand majorities in direct popular votes
this is one side

Sometimes the people are unable to understand all the issues involved and are not prepared to educate themselves.

I'm thinking specifically of Switzerland here where of course there is direct democracy but you have the ridiculous situation where compulsory healthcare provided homeopathic treatment courses.

This is the situation with smoking in Switzerland and Serbia and other similar countries.
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Old 22.04.2015, 12:13
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Sometimes the people are unable to understand all the issues involved and are not prepared to educate themselves.

I'm thinking specifically of Switzerland here where of course there is direct democracy but you have the ridiculous situation where compulsory healthcare provided homeopathic treatment courses.

This is the situation with smoking in Switzerland and Serbia and other similar countries.
You can't compare CH with the others - tobacco companies are protecting their interests much better in weaker (aka more corrupted) states.

I take it the Swiss really like their cigarettes. As far as I noticed it's older folks that are smoking more than other age groups here, but it's only my observation.
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Old 22.04.2015, 12:15
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You can't compare CH with the others - tobacco companies are protecting their interests much better in weaker (aka more corrupted) states.
My last line was sarcasm for the benefit of Wollishofner.
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You can't compare CH with the others - tobacco companies are protecting their interests much better in weaker (aka more corrupted) states.

I take it the Swiss really like their cigarettes. As far as I noticed it's older folks that are smoking more than other age groups here, but it's only my observation.


Most of the heavier Cantons and so a majority of people in Switzerland have voted good smoking bans into effect. Where Smoking is banned in Cafés, Restaurants, indoors sports-places, offices, etc


I hope you are RIGHT with your observation about people above 75 smoking more than younger People


As Long as the army discriminates against the NON-smokers, doubts arise
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As Long as the army discriminates against the NON-smokers, doubts arise
Sounds interesting. Please elaborate.
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Sounds interesting. Please elaborate.
From what I understand, it is permitted to smoke indoors in the military.... so non-smokers end up smoking anyway.
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Sounds interesting. Please elaborate.
It as I hear still is fact, that in breaks corporals and Feldweibel do not take smokers for small jobs but non-smokers. I for this reasons always had a large newspaper, preferably a British one, with me. The trick worked. But it still is DIScrimination against NONsmokers. And most corporals and sergeants and even lieutenants participate(d) and apparently still DO participate up to this day
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Re: a disaster for the smoking lobby

Never heard of such a thing, and I spent quite a bit of time in the Army, from boot camp up to major.

Of course it's absolutely possible that it happens, but then it's some individuals and not "the army."
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Never heard of such a thing, and I spent quite a bit of time in the Army, from boot camp up to major.

Of course it's absolutely possible that it happens, but then it's some individuals and not "the army."


While it of course, as everything in the army, is subject to individuals, I saw it too often for comfort. And since the moment you became captain you were ways ABOVE the level in question. Not so very long ago a cousin and me asked some nephews about the Topic and while we had hoped things had improved were told that the problem is still alive. No, it IS "the army" in practice at least


*SOME" individuals ? Rather most individuals in the rank of CORPORAL and even many in the rank of lieutenant. --- AND to me corporals ARE THE army
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