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a disaster for the smoking lobby

Right today, the voters of the Canton of Solothurn rejected an initiative which wanted to abolish the Cantonal anti-smoking law there and reducing things to the federal level which would have meant to allow "Raucher-Lokale" (smokers-places) in case of all smaller cafés, bars and restaurants. The NO was fairly clear with 66%. The smoking lobby took the relatively conservative Canton of Solothurn in the hope to start something there, but it now has rather given impetus to the Federal initiative of the Lungenliga which wants to make the Zurich (etc) model a federal law.
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Re: a disaster for the smoking lobby

And a success for the anti-smokers.

having had to put up with my parents smoking 60 a day when I was younger, including in the car durting 8 hour journeys to the south of france, I can't say I'll be shedding too many tears.

Unlucky. You'll have to give up, or get wet.
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Re: a disaster for the smoking lobby

The smoking lady who lives underneath me has made my life a misery. She smokes 24/7 and it stinks up my flat completely if my balcony door is even slightly open. Being summer I have to open my windows...... I get up and close them constantly when I hear her going to the balcony. Her alcoholic boyfriends smoke out of the windows so it makes it even more challenging as I have to juggle more windows

So basically she does not want her own flat to stink so she uses her balcony but the result is that my flat ends up stinking. I am not talking slight smell I am talking full on stinky smell, as if she was sitting inside my flat.

I could speak to her but she is technically not breaking any law and more importantly she is a psycho with major issues. The whole block can't stand her.

A 100 times more screwed up version of this-

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Re: a disaster for the smoking lobby

We can now breath easy
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Re: a disaster for the smoking lobby

I didn't realise the law applied to your own home. How very Swiss.

Is she Swiss? She can't be that much of a Phsyco, surely. Have you asked her?

Otherwise, fight fire with fire, I say. Maybe start pissing from your balcony every time she goes out for a fag. Bet that'd put a stop to it...

I once had a guy who kindly kept letting his dog $h!t all over the pavement sright outside our house so my kids could walk through it every morning. How very considerate of him.

It was only when I told him in no uncertain terms that if I found another pile of dog crap on my doorstep he would find something much larger and more offensive on his that he stopped.
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I didn't realise the law applied to your own home. How very Swiss.

Is she Swiss? She can't be that much of a Phsyco, surely. Have you asked her?
No the law does not apply to the home which is why I will continue to suffer Yes she is Swiss and trust me when I say she is a psycho! I would not want anything to do with her. If other decent Swiss in the block tell me (a foreigner) about her then you know things are very bad

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Can't shit where I eat dude. The only good thing about having her underneath me is that I can make noise 24/7 because she is one noisy MOFO and she would not dare complain. The whole block knows that she is one noisy woman and I think she is on something.
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Re: a disaster for the smoking lobby

Right, so she is allowed to smoke in her home, but chooses not to? Weird.

Swiss people telling me someone is a psycho would not unduly worry me. I've come across plenty of physco's in my lifetime. I don't think I'd be too worried about a female swiss one. But I don't live above her, so who am I to doubt you.

I wouldn't start off $h!tting, that's pushing it a bit far. Just take a leak. If she complains, say your toilet's blocked, or something. Make sure you get a bit on her balcony, or better still, her cig.
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Right, so she is allowed to smoke in her home, but chooses not to? Weird.
....because she does not want her lovely flat to stink She is not a psycho because the Swiss tell me. That is just confirmation of what I have already heard and seen myself Lady (or the thing to be precise) is a mess!
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She can't be that much of a pyscho if she's bothered about her flat smelling, surely? Or is this what Swiss phsyco's are like? Clean and tidy, and phsycotic with it?

Knock on her door with a baseball bat. You don't have to use it, but she might think twice about behaving badly.

Having said that, if she's off her head on crack, then her behaviour will be totally unpredictable, in which case you may be forced to use it.

Another option is to drop stick bombs onto her balcony. She wouldn't necassirly have to know you did it, it could have been those pesky kids. She wouldn't be so keen about smoking out of her window, then. Still, the smell might be worse for you than the cigarettes...
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OMG the f/cking psycho incontinent foreigner living above me is now trying to build a nest on my balcony!!
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Re: a disaster for the smoking lobby

Well- excellent news. The ban on smoking in public may have worked, with other factors involved perhaps. Only 7% of 15 year olds smoke regularly now, as compared to 12% four years ago. Excellent news re alcohol too, only 10% of boys of that age drink at least 1x a week, whereas the figure was 27% four years ago. For girls the figures have gone from 13& to 6%- so a massive reduction overall in such a short time.

Not sure exactly which factors come into play- but perhaps one positive effect of the fact kids spend more time playing on the internet, than socialising in the street? Whatever the reasons here- the figures are very encouraging- hurrah. I hope even the smokers here will agree it is good news for our youngsters.
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Re: a disaster for the smoking lobby

Did 15 year olds tend to smoke in bars and restaurants?

Was drinking in public places banned too?

Or are other factors perhaps in play?

Excellent news indeed that smoking is down, but it may not be related to the smoking ban (in fact, it seems unlikely to be).
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Re: a disaster for the smoking lobby

Yes, as I said ...

There are surely many and complex factors influencing those stats, as said above. But as a kid, I grew up with adults smoking in public places all around me, restaurants, cafés, cinéma, trains, both my parents smoked in the car (: etc- kids today do not- and perhaps it has an influence too. I smoked from the age of 15- it seemed totally normal for most of us at the time- we smoked during breaks at school, on the school steps, and the caretaker cleared up the butts after the bell. As stated above, the fact that kids spend over 3 hrs in front of computer or TV, tablet, etc- instead of socialising seems to be more relevant.

Whatever the reasons, and the extent of the influence on the smoking ban in public buildings- it is excellent news for the kids, and bad news for the tobacco industry- and again, hurrah!

I don't think even the most hardened and anti the ban smoker, would wish for their children and grand-children to start smoking.

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Looks like Geneva is ahead of the rest of Switzerland.... again! More and more owners are banning their tenants from smoking with the apartment buildings.
This from 20minutes 25th February;


La clope est mal-aimée au bout du lac. Après avoir été le canton pionnier en matière d’interdiction de fumer dans les cafés et les restaurants, Genève connaît depuis un an une nouvelle tendance anticigarettes. Certains propriétaires et plusieurs régies ont en effet banni la fumée de leurs immeubles, annonce le «GHI». En signant le bail, le locataire s’engage à ne pas allumer de sèches à la maison. «Effectivement, de plus en plus de propriétaires interdisent purement et simplement le tabac», appuie le secrétaire général de la Chambre genevoise immobilière, Christophe Aumeunier.
La cause de ce serrage de vis? Les locataires se plaignant de subir la fumée passive de leurs voisins sont toujours plus nombreux. Leurs doléances semblent donc avoir été en partie entendues. Pour les accrocs à la clope, les voies de recours sont minces. «Si un locataire signe un bail qui lui interdit de fumer et ne le respecte pas, il risque la résiliation si le bailleur peut le démontrer», relève le secrétaire de l’Asloca Romandie, Carlo Sommaruga.

Google Translate (slightly corrected to make more sense!);
The cigarette is unloved at the end of the lake. Having pioneered prohibition regarding smoking in cafes and restaurants, Geneva has for the past year started a new anti-cigarette phase. Some owners and several authorities have banned smoking in their buildings, announces the "GHI". By signing the lease, the tenant agrees to not light up at home. "Indeed, more and more homeowners simply prohibit tobacco" supports the general secretary of the Geneva Real Estate Chamber, Christophe AUMEUNIER.

The cause of this tightening of the screw? Tenants complaining of suffering passive smoke from their neighbours are becoming more numerous. Their grievances thus seem to have been partly heard. For addicts to cigarettes, the remedies are slim. "If a tenant signs a lease that prohibited smoking and does not respect it, the lease may be terminated if the landlord can prove it," says the secretary of the Asloca Romandie, Carlo Sommaruga.

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Re: a disaster for the smoking lobby

I find the rampant smoking and lack of consideration for non-smokers to be my least favourite thing about Switzerland.

I am completely in love with most other aspects of the country and its inhabitants.
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Anjela, does this include the balcony?
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Yes, and if the entire block is owned by one person/company, or owned by several owners who are in agreement then it would cover all common areas (laundries, entrance halls, garages, etc.).
At the moment it needs to be written into a lease agreement when it's first signed and isn't something that can be added retrospectively, but definitely a big step in the right direction!
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Yes, and if the entire block is owned by one person/company, or owned by several owners who are in agreement then it would cover all common areas (laundries, entrance halls, garages, etc.).
At the moment it needs to be written into a lease agreement when it's first signed and isn't something that can be added retrospectively, but definitely a big step in the right direction!

So at last non-smokers can get a choice.*

*Obviously they could buy a single place in the middle of nowhere rather than an apartment where they would like to live but why should a bunch of drug addicts dictate where one can live.
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Re: a disaster for the smoking lobby

Another factor is probably the following:

5-10 years ago most Kantons introduced a ban on sale of tobacco and alcoholic products to young people (either below age 16 or 18), most bans were introduced 2007/2008. Starting maybe 2009 there were multiple big campaigns to actually respect these bans, some with test buys and, ultimately, with reports to the authorities.

As for tobacco, in my experience very few people start to smoke after twenty. In fact, in my youth many smoking men who served got really hooked during "Rekrutenschule", their first service.

So the sales ban should keep many off the hook.
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