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Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat

So 4 women, with 2 from Bern. And as mentioned, one of those from from Langenthal. The Zurchers and the SVP are plotting as we type.

Good on Switzerland!

I was in Langenthal over the weekend; nice place.
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Old 22.09.2010, 14:15
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Women dominate new Swiss cabinet


The election of Simonetta Sommaruga (centre) is a historic moment

Switzerland's parliament has voted a new minister into the government, giving the cabinet a majority of women for the first time.
The election of Simonetta Sommaruga, 50, a Social Democrat, is a historic step in a country where women only got to vote on a national level in 1971.
Ms Sommaruga becomes the fourth female in the seven-member Federal Council.
One of the other posts in the Federal Council will be filled by another vote later in the day.
The seven members of the Swiss cabinet have recently always been drawn from the four leading parties.
Although it is highly unusual in Europe for women to hold a majority in a country's cabinet, it is not unique. The Spanish cabinet unveiled by Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero after his re-election in 2008 included more women than men.
Finland, Norway and the Cape Verde Islands also have female majorities, according to the Inter Parliamentary Union.
Equality issues
"Symbolically, it is a rather powerful message from a country with a conservative reputation to have four or five women out of the seven seats in the government," said Pascal Sciarini, who heads the political science institute in the University of Geneva, to the AFP news agency.
Women in Switzerland have traditionally had a low-key role in public life, says the BBC's Imogen Foulkes in Berne.
They first got to vote at local canton level in 1959, but not at federal level until 1971. The last canton, Appenzell Innerrhoden, finally granted them voting rights in 1990.
The first female government minister was elected in 1984, but until now only six women have ever held ministerial posts.
But, when it comes to gender equality, the new team will still have a mountain to climb, our correspondent says.
Swiss women lag well behind men in average salaries, the Swiss state spends less than a third of Unicef's recommended minimum on childcare, and when it comes to maternity leave, Switzerland ranks as the least generous country in Europe.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11387996
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Technically yes.
But if the SVP had not done everything in Blocher's power to ruin the government's work while he was in it in order to copy paste the Zürcher Party agenda into the Swiss law book with no consideration to the fact that CH is not a one party system by any means, the others party would not be so "mean" to them now.
The day the SVP accepts that the parliament rules and not a single party, they will have their chance again to be considered like any other party in such elections as the Bundesrat Conseil fédéral Cussagl federal.
Good point. Maybe I'm too much an appeaser but I think it should be considered sooner rather than later. If they missbehave again (as with the whole Blocher saga), rewind
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Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat

When is it going to be middle management? While I absolutely love this move, makes me wonder a little. A few female VIPs, still gets CH far behind in females having the same chances in smaller scale scene..A quick fix to be able to present certain stats that the world carefully watches. I really hope it will change some attitudes so the normal folks' lives are easier, too. But, cheer cheer, fo sho.
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Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat

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I would think that Bern waits until Blocher gets too old to candidate again. That could take a while. He will take the first opportunity to come back and start the whole circus again. He is not trusted by other parties, it's his fault, consequences of his actions. Even if one think he was right to do so, one has to accept the view of the rest of the parliament. Which you do, obviously, but nobody in the Blocher fraction of SVP does.

By the way... two Bernese in the consil, that means a double slash in the face to SVP Zürich fraction. Message from parliament is clear: Blocher is considered dangerous for the country if voted into the council, as anything else is considered better than a Blocherian candidate. Anything, anyhow. Who is the black sheep now...
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I would think that Bern waits until Blocher gets too old to candidate again. That could take a while. He will take the first opportunity to come back and start the whole circus again. He is not trusted by other parties, it's his fault, consequences of his actions. Even if one think he was right to do so, one has to accept the view of the rest of the parliament. Which you do, obviously, but nobody in the Blocher fraction of SVP does.

By the way... two Bernese in the consil, that means a double slash in the face to SVP Zürich fraction. Message from parliament is clear: Blocher is considered dangerous for the country if voted into the council, as anything else is considered better than a Blocherian candidate. Anything, anyhow. Who is the black sheep now...
Not just because you're SVP bashing, but a groan because that is one of the least factual or substance oriented posts I've ever read. Who is talking about Blocher? This was a fairly simple Bundesrat member replacement vote based on part politics rather than national or international factors. We're all entitled to freedom of speech and opinions, but yours was just a waste of letters and hard disk space on some server in a computer rack.
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Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat

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And where is your substence?
I love you, asssssssassin, SVP wannabees don´t like me, what an honnor. Please groan again. I'll have something to show off with in society and untertain people.

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As I just PMed you, I groaned the contents of your post, not your political opinion. It would be so boring on EF if we all agreed with each other don't you think? It was a virtual groan on an internet forum; I haven't kidnapped your most beloved pet for ransom in the real world.
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Not just because you're SVP bashing, but a groan because that is one of the least factual or substance oriented posts I've ever read. Who is talking about Blocher? This was a fairly simple Bundesrat member replacement vote based on part politics rather than national or international factors.
Actually it wasn't.

Arithmetically the seat should have gone to the SVP and not FDP. It is the first time in history the parliament has voted not in favour of the concordance, which is quite something...

Well done parliament.
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Actually it wasn't.

Arithmetically the seat should have gone to the SVP and not FDP. It is the first time in history the parliament has voted not in favour of the concordance, which is quite something...

Well done parliament.
Yes, kind of. The definition of "Konkordanz: is widely accepted to be the honoring of various political views and interests within the Bundesrat, not necessarily with respect to both parliaments which are clearly defined by their own political parties' interests first and foremost. The imbalance in the current Bundesrat line up is clearly due to the political maneuvering which occurred when Blocher was ousted by all the other parties making a personal attack on him assisted by certain Cantonal fractions within the SVP back in 2007, which led to the formation of the BDP party. One could rightly be forgiven for asking where Bundesrätin Widmer-Sclumpf from the BDP received her political mandate from, as her voters actually voted SVP at the last general elections. Konkordanz is the "get out of jail free" card for whoever happens to be holding the power at the time and has to make an excuse instead of a firm decision.
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Everybody agrees that it would be more representative to have SVP all friendly and united with each other so that they can gove the seats the normal way. Bern didn't do that. Given the fact that neither you nor I would think that parliament acts lightly, there must be a higher goal for them worth following instead of complying to the magical formula (new version). The question is: what is this higher goal?

Given the fact that WidmerSchlumpf was member of the SVP but not the candidate of the party, there was something fishy. What was fishy on SVP side to force reelection of Blocher rather than looking for a compromise candidate with the others? Fill in the blanks according to your own analysis, but the question stands.

Given the fact that WidmerSchlumpf knew that her candidateship would lead to cessession, there was something fishy. What was fishy on council's side to force a candidate upon a party instead of maintaining the practice? Fill in the blanks according to your own analysis, but the question stands.

Independently from how you answer the two above questions, you have to admit that the history of Blocher's ejection is predeterminant in the relations between parliament and SVP. Therefore, it is of outmost importance not to cut the connection between this history and the present election, keeping in mind that the election of CalmyRey's replacement next year means a total renewal of the council. That means a new start for a new collegiality with new councelors.

Now next step: ever wondered why the word "collegiality" is repeated thousand times a day in connection with this election? You should. The parliament's obsession with collegiality (yes, parliament), is linked to the practice of Blocher in his time. He tried a new style (not talking about content, about his ideas, just his methods in Bern). The parliament rejected exactly that and wants to avoid at any price - any price - that the political cultures changes in Bern. Collegiality is the warrant of the controle of the parliament upon the council, as it obliges the council as a whole to present dossiers to the parliament. The parliament judges the council as a group, collegially, thus making it impossible for the councils to play the parliament against other councelors. That was exactly what the parliament reproached Blocher. And they think - truely or falsely - that the SVP in its present form will try that again if voted strong into the council.

This leads to the simple conclusion that the parliament (all parties isolating SVP) follow the higher goal of preservation of political culture (largely unwritten rules) rather than representing mathematically and democratically the parties in the federal council. One may not agree with their priorities. But that is clearly the goal behind isolation of SVP candidates at any price. Even the very soft compromise-version "nice guy from Fribourg".

Each of you think what ever you want of that. But all those questions are fundamental to the comprehension of the elections. For the time being... who knows when the parliament (the parties, actually) will reach again to the SVP... and how many SVPs there will be (fractions really hate each other officially, and in Graubünden/Grischun, they split totally). We'll see.

But don't tell me Blocher has nothing to do with it. (and I won't tell you the parliament is innocent)
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Still disappointed....always.....how close the SVP come to winning these positions.....like a little black cloud hanging over this great country.....
I would not exxagerate, but the SVP will of course try to topple Mrs Widmer-Schlumpf in a year's time. The problem is not herself but the fact that a 3% party is not ideal as a partner in a Grand-Coalition government. The BDP however has in the elections of today given some clear support to the new BR members, and expects the two parties to support Mrs Widmer-Schlump when things become narrow for her
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Yes, kind of. The definition of "Konkordanz: is widely accepted to be the honoring of various political views and interests within the Bundesrat, not necessarily with respect to both parliaments which are clearly defined by their own political parties' interests first and foremost. The imbalance in the current Bundesrat line up is clearly due to the political maneuvering which occurred when Blocher was ousted by all the other parties making a personal attack on him assisted by certain Cantonal fractions within the SVP back in 2007, which led to the formation of the BDP party. One could rightly be forgiven for asking where Bundesrätin Widmer-Sclumpf from the BDP received her political mandate from, as her voters actually voted SVP at the last general elections. Konkordanz is the "get out of jail free" card for whoever happens to be holding the power at the time and has to make an excuse instead of a firm decision.
She was elected as an SVP member quite clearly, she got ousted from the SVP by the SVP leadership and the BDP is a break-away party from the SVP. Whether this ousting was a tactical mistake or not is something I leave to the SVP leadership to decide. But Widmer-Schlumpf is not to the left of Mr Blocher and in various aspects even to his right. She in fact is more of a staunch-conservative than Mr Ueli Maurer.

She however has become fairly popular in both people and parliament, and is a shrewd and tricky politician, so that nothing is decided yet.
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I am pleased we have a Ticinese.
Seriously both the Swiss Italian parts as well as the population that actually still does speak Romanche are just not represented enough.
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For the romansh, it is actually better than ever before. WidmerSchlumpf is half Rhäto and real bilingual. She speaks Rumantsch to RTR (telesgard and co). Sursilvan btw.

She even is the first cussegliera federala who used also Rumantsch briefly in ther official "I accept the vote" speach. Summagura also did today even though she does not actually speak it. I do not know about Sch-Ammann, anyone heard?
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So 4 women, with 2 from Bern. And as mentioned, one of those from from Langenthal. The Zurchers and the SVP are plotting as we type.

Good on Switzerland!

I was in Langenthal over the weekend; nice place.
The SVP did NOT put ahead a really major figure of their party as all the major ones in that party realized that it would be in vain. The relative success of their candidate shows how weak the position of Mrs Widmer-Schlumpf really is, as their exercise was just a test-venture

For the SP Zürich, the lesson must be to forget about extreme leftists like Mrs Fehr, but in future also look for moderate and conciliatory representatives of the SP Zürich. Look at Mrs Micheline Calmy-Rey, who is fairly leftist but has always been very conciliatory. Simonetta Sommaruga was elected because she is renowned for her conciliatory unifying spirit and her communicate skills. In the person of this lady (NOT "girlie") the SP brought into the federal government one of the very best. This may not guarantee her success, but still means a good basis to go upon.

Over to the FDP, they a while ago brought relatively young Mr Burkhalter into the federal government, and now the relatively "advanced" Mr Schneider-Ammann. A party which has been ailing in the past two decades now suddenly has two fairly strong reps. in the Bundesrat.
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And where is your substence?
I love you, asssssssassin, SVP wannabees don´t like me, what an honnor. Please groan again. I'll have something to show off with in society and untertain people.

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"wannabee" ? No, this is what their candidate was NOT. He twice run as a test candidate. I however do not believe that he will be candidate in the real run, when the SVP will try to topple Mrs Widmer-Schlumpf and get her replaced by one of the SVP biggies. Let's not forget that she was elected as an SVP member and so sits on an SVP seat. She will fight with all the hairs on her teeths to stay. It will become an interesting battle.
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