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Re: Swiss approve the reform of the jobless benefit scheme.

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A debt of 7 billion CHF burdens the swiss unemployment insurance.
I might be wrong (Heaven forbid!) but is some of that heavy debt tied to the overlarge invalide (Disabled) insurance claims? They are related, (The same pot of gold) but right now I can't be bothered to look for the facts. Many claims over the past 20 years are patently wrong, and in Rumania the claims inspectors have left in fear of their lives. There is a move to only pay out invalide claims to people actually living here, which seems to be a good move.
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Re: Swiss approve the reform of the jobless benefit scheme.

There is no surprise in the differences in voting. This is true for quite a number of political issues. The different parts of the country vote opposite. And there are more germans so they win more.
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A debt of 7 billion CHF burdens the swiss unemployment insurance.

The Romandie and Ticino, with the highest unemployment rate in CH, and as such depending on a stable and strong insurance, yet voted against the reform to raise additional revenue to the insurance...
Here the graphics of the joblessness by Cantons :

http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/d...ch_kanton.html
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Re: Swiss approve the reform of the jobless benefit scheme.

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There is no surprise in the differences in voting. This is true for quite a number of political issues. The different parts of the country vote opposite. And there are more germans so they win more.
This map here
http://www.20min.ch/news/dossier/abs...story/13620335
with the Canton Basel-Stadt in the NO-camp shows that cities or at least city-areas in German speaking Switzerland voted NO, together with the Romandie, as THIS statistics

http://www.wahlen.zh.ch/abstimmungen.../gemeinden.php

shows, in Zurich, the Stadtkreise 3 4 5 12 voted NO
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Re: Swiss approve the reform of the jobless benefit scheme.

Does anyone know yet if these reforms will affect people who are already unemployed and receiving benefits since last year? I was told today buy my adviser in the RAV that I may only be entitled to 2 months more instead of 11 due to the changes. But he wasn't 100% sure (or so he told me ).

Anybody know where to find more information I have checked the RAV website and tried google but found nothing other than what the new changes are. It doesn't state if it is for newly unemployed people or existing people already on it.
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Old 09.02.2011, 16:52
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Does anyone know yet if these reforms will affect people who are already unemployed and receiving benefits since last year?
Yes.

My daughter got hers reduced by 6 months.

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Re: Swiss approve the reform of the jobless benefit scheme.

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Yes.

My daughter got hers reduced by 6 months.

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Was she eligible for 400 days? So they retroactively apply the new law?
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Was she eligible for 400 days? So they retroactively apply the new law?
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And, yes.

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Re: Swiss approve the reform of the jobless benefit scheme.

Does anyone have a summary of the new rules?
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Old 10.02.2011, 15:14
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Re: Swiss approve the reform of the jobless benefit scheme.

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Does anyone have a summary of the new rules?
Sure: Pay more - get less.
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Yes.

My daughter got hers reduced by 6 months.

Tom
Told by a swiss teacher today that apparently it is not legal. If you are already receiving benefits they cannot change the rules. I will be finding this out for sure hopefully next weekend. I will be speaking with a lawyer friend. Will let you know the outcome if you wish?
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Re: Swiss approve the reform of the jobless benefit scheme.

I once met an unemployed woman who said that she will continue under unemployment benefits even if she gets offered a job but one she doesn't like. She received a job offer as a cashier but declined it arguing that she gets confused with numbers and didn't feel capable of performing the job.

Its very clear a bunch of people do extract value from this unemployment scheme.
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Old 12.02.2011, 11:08
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Told by a swiss teacher today that apparently it is not legal. If you are already receiving benefits they cannot change the rules. I will be finding this out for sure hopefully next weekend. I will be speaking with a lawyer friend. Will let you know the outcome if you wish?
Yes, please!

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Old 12.02.2011, 12:55
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Re: Swiss approve the reform of the jobless benefit scheme.

i think the biggest difference outside of the increased contributions to the insurance scheme is that now to get 400 days you need to have worked 2 years to get 400 days of unemployment..
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i think the biggest difference outside of the increased contributions to the insurance scheme is that now to get 400 days you need to have worked 2 years to get 400 days of unemployment..
And the reduced time for under-25.

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Re: Swiss approve the reform of the jobless benefit scheme.

anyone knows how a non-EU jobless declare his/her benefit in Switzerland, please?
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Re: Swiss approve the reform of the jobless benefit scheme.

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Does anyone have a summary of the new rules?
Yes I have attached the letter I got from the RAV it is for BS but the rules are the same (as far as I know) throughout Switzerland.

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i think the biggest difference outside of the increased contributions to the insurance scheme is that now to get 400 days you need to have worked 2 years to get 400 days of unemployment..
Not 100% right, according to the letter you need 18months now instead of 12 of of the last 24 months to get the full 400 days.

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And the reduced time for under-25.

Tom
Ok so for people who do not speak german here is some points of the changes.

NEW SYSTEM

1. People under 25 with no liability to maintenance e.g children. Their waiting days fall into 5 categories:
I) 0 Waiting days if salary is under CHF 36,000
II) 5 Waiting days if salary is CHF 36,001-60,000
III) 10 waiting days if salary is CHF 60,001-90,000
IV) 15 Waiting days if salary is CHF 90,001-125,000
V) 20 waiting days if salary is over CHF 125,001

2. People under 25 WITH liability to maintenance e.g children. Their waiting days are as follows;
I) 0 Waiting days if salary up to CHF 60,000
II) 5 Waiting days if salary is over CHF 60,001

3. Entitlement i.e how many days unemployment benefit a peron will receive

I) Having contributions of minimum 12 months out of the last 24 months people will receive a MAXIMUM 260 days benefit (working days) approx 11months avrg 23 working days per month.
II) Having contributions of minimum 18 months out of the last 24 months people will receive a MAXIMUM 400 days benefit approx 18 months benefit.
III) Having contributions of at least 24 months and are over 55 years of age and have a disability pension relating to 40% IV are entitled to 520 days. (I am not 100% sure on this note, maybe someone can re-check the document
IV) People who are exempt from the contribution period for whatever reason now have a MAXIMUM 90 days benefit instead of the previous 260 days
V) People who are exempt from the contribution period for whatever reason and are under 25 years of age and have no liability of payment e.g children now have a MAXIMUM 200 days benefit

OLD SYSTEM

minimum paying AHV for 12 months out of the last 24 months and you receive the 400 days.

People who are exempt from the contribution period for whatever reason had in the old system 260 days maximum benefits

So there you are guy's. I'm still waiting on clarification regarding if they can change the rules for people who are already receiving the benefits. Waiting for a response form a lawyer, should have some proper information by late next week.

The official document is below in german, it only relates to the benefit side of things and not to what the changes in the AHV rates are for employees and employers.

Hope this is helpful to people!
p.s if I have anything wrong feel free to correct me. But no bashing!
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Re: Swiss approve the reform of the jobless benefit scheme.

I got a reply from a Lawyer regarding the new changes and unfortunatly the are allowed to do it. I knew it deep down, but thought I could try fight it
Anyway for anyone interested, here is what the lawyer said to me in reply;

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Dear Mr. Travers

I refer to our meeting at the “GGG Rechtsberatung” we had last Thursday.

You have asked us whether the “Taggelder” you currently receive by the unemployment assurance can be cut to 260 days after the popular vote which took place in September 2010. The rules adopted by this vote don’t contain any information on effectivity of the new statute for recipients of unemployment payments.
Therefore the general transition rules are applicable.

It is correct, as you said during our short discussion, that a law cannot have a retroaction to circumstances that took place in the past. In your case it is somewhat different, because you receive a contribution for the duration of your unemployment. The reason for this unemployment payment (Taggeld) is not, that you got unemployed once in the past, but that you are still unemployed in the moment of the next payment. Therefore there is no retroactive effect of the new rules, but as of the effective date of the new law, you will for the future only receive as many days paid out as the new law states. The legal term for this is called continuing circumstances (“Dauersachverhalt”).

In the result this means, that it is not possible to appeal against this reduction of days.

I’m sorry I cannot give you a better answer and wish you all the best for your future!

Kind regards
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Re: Swiss approve the reform of the jobless benefit scheme.

P.s anyone needing lawyer advice can go to the GGG in Basel on a thursday from 17.00-19.00 and pay 10chf and get advice. I recommend it.
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Re: Swiss approve the reform of the jobless benefit scheme.

I got these today ( also in FR so I guess they apply nationwide as of 01.04.2011 )
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