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I always thought English was a distant dialect of German...
After a few drinks ... yep anything could be possible!
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I always thought English was a distant dialect of German...

No no no, it is what happened when some German dialects got messed up, sorry, I mean, mixed up with Normandie French
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Or even after a small Google search.
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No no no, it is what happened when some German dialects got messed up, sorry, I mean, mixed up with Normandie French
Bloody Norman again... he has a lot to answer for.
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Or even after a small Google search.
Good one. Here the word list with low-German (at least the one I know):
striking, isn't it?
German English Low Saxon
Pfennig penny Penning
zehn ten teihn
Korn corn Korn
hoffen hope hopen
essen eat eten
machen make moken
Apfel apple Appel
Witz wit Witt
Bock buck Bock
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Or even after a small Google search.

Thanks that explains my blue eyes and blond hair ....... As for my language its still English........
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Thanks that explains my blue eyes and blond hair ....... As for my language its still English........
Perhaps that blonde hair explains why you still think your language is still English...

No offense meant, I promise. - just that I find the similarity in words hilarious...
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Thanks that explains my blue eyes and blond hair ....... As for my language its still English........
just dissect this part of your statement

for my language its
-- "for my" = für mein, is German
-- "language" = langue, is French
-- "it is" = es ist, is German
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the grammar and structure in use however is German
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just dissect this part of your statement

for my language its
-- "for my" = für mein, is German
-- "language" = langue, is French
-- "it is" = es ist, is German
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the grammar and structure in use however is German
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Perhaps that blonde hair explains why you still think your language is still English...

No offense meant, I promise. - just that I find the similarity in words hilarious...
I come from Essex as well ... you can have fun with that too No offense taken... I bid you good night !
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I come from Essex as well ... you can have fun with that too No offense taken... I bid you good night !
I do, I got engaged to one last week
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A) Switzerland is linked with the European Union by heaps of Bilaterals, and in reality is more integrated with EU Europe than the U.K.
B) Switzerland is a full member of heaps of European organisations, among them even some sub-organisations of the E.U.
C) The Council of Europe (Europarat) is very important, exactly BECAUSE it includes many non-EU members
D) EFTA may be a lame duck (Iceland, Norway, Switzerland and Liechtenstein) but
-- more important than you think
-- the official language of EFTA still is English
E) the organisations I mentioned are important for the everyday-life of all of us, covering public transport, phones, internet, postal services, etc
F) EBA is important for the exchange of news, programs and technologies between its member corporations, and for all the many shared programs of which the Song Contest is only one
G) Swiss International Airlines is fully integrated into the Lufthansa Group, and of course into the Star Alliance
H) the Swiss electrical power-network is fully integrated with its neighbours.
Wolli, I have a question and I apologize if it is slightly off-topic. What links does Switzerland have with the United States and Canada, and I'm not referring to NATO or the Partnership for Peace. Do American and Canadian workers in CH have the same privileges as those from EU countries?
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Wolli, I have a question and I apologize if it is slightly off-topic. What links does Switzerland have with the United States and Canada, and I'm not referring to NATO or the Partnership for Peace. Do American and Canadian workers in CH have the same privileges as those from EU countries?
The USA and Canada citizens do NOT have EU/EFTA status, but have a "preferred" outsider-status in some ways.

There are quite many agreements in many fields between Switzerland on one side and USA/Canada on the other

Most important is that a Genevois, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, issued the principles on which Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin established the USA constitution and that the 1848 CH constitution is based to some 95% on the USA constitution. This is why CH and the USA are described as "sister republics", a bit different in size, but "sisters" nevertheless
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...CH constitution is based to some 95% on the USA constitution...
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Re: English as an Official Language

EN version of the CH Federal Constitution for reference:

http://www.admin.ch/ch/e/rs/c101.html

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Other languages


The US Constitution
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Most important is that a Genevois, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, issued the principles on which Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin established the USA constitution and that the 1848 CH constitution is based to some 95% on the USA constitution. This is why CH and the USA are described as "sister republics", a bit different in size, but "sisters" nevertheless
Are you sure you got those percentages right, Wolli? From the size of your constitution, it appears the U.S. constitution is about 5% of the CH!

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When the founding fathers met in 1787 to create a new system of government to replace the Articles of Confederation, they wanted to balance the need for a strong central government with the freedom and independence of the state governments. I'm sure the Swiss had the same concerns in 1848, and I believe the Swiss cantons are much closer to being like U.S. states than counties in the U.K. and Ireland.

I also notice that there is a note before the English translation saying it is only for information purposes and is not legally binding. I have faith in the Swiss translators though and believe that if English WERE an official language, they would not have to change the wording.

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When the founding fathers met in 1987 to create a new system of government ...
Old people tire quickly, and boy, were they old by 1987. That explains why the US Constitution is so short, relatively.
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Probably went to a Madonna concert after it was all over.
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Re: English as an Official Language

I really don't want English as an Official Language in Switzerland and I am English. I hear enough of it at work, on the TV, and socialising. I'm glad that the offical forms I have to complete are in German as is the daycare and the staff where my daughter attends. I came here with no language skills whatsoever and I managed to survive and wouldn't have learnt a word of Deutsch if I hadn't been forced to on some occasions. If I can get by then so can all the other expats as I am the biggest dumbass when it comes to learning

I can now speak relatively ok Swinglish mixed with High German which allows me to communicate well enough with most people and I've finally got to the point where I no longer have to ask "sprechen Sie Englisch?" at the start of every phone call or conversation.....that for me seemed highly rude when I am certain that if the reverse were asked to a cashier in England then there would be little chance of them speaking German

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Are you sure you got those percentages right, Wolli? From the size of your constitution, it appears the U.S. constitution is about 5% of the CH!



When the founding fathers met in 1787 to create a new system of government to replace the Articles of Confederation, they wanted to balance the need for a strong central government with the freedom and independence of the state governments. I'm sure the Swiss had the same concerns in 1848, and I believe the Swiss cantons are much closer to being like U.S. states than counties in the U.K. and Ireland.

I also notice that there is a note before the English translation saying it is only for information purposes and is not legally binding. I have faith in the Swiss translators though and believe that if English WERE an official language, they would not have to change the wording.
Yes, I got them right. The difference is that Switzerland has the unhealthy habit to INCLUDE many of the more important laws and regulations into the constitution, which in the USA is not the case, at least not to that extent. An additional matter which adds thousands of pages is that in Switzerland, the relationship between union and Cantons is precisely defined. Do not forget that the Swiss constitution was fixed AFTER the Civil War and not a century before.
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