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Sounds great! Well, except that this money is probably going to the copyright holders, which are usually the record companies.
Copyright usually remains with the composer(s) and record companies don't normally buy the rights to this. More about copyright here. Perhaps you mean the publishing rights ?
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Re: Your mp3 player is going to cost you more in Switzerland..

Just a reminder to everybody, the tax starts tomorrow so if you're buying an mp3 player, do it today!
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For the moment, it is not.

Translated: Billag radio tax for PCs with internet access and installed audio streaming software. Billag TV tax for PCs with broadband internet access, installed video streaming software and and a pay-internet-TV subscription. Billag wants to get rid of the third condition, this would rend most TV-absent households liable for the TV tax, because it doesn't matter if internet TV is actually used.
I find Billag unebelievable - laut Gesetz. They were taken to court last year regarding charging for Computers that are capable of receiving a radio and tv signal and lost the case - it was the Swiss supreme court that decided ie the highest instance. This means that in order that they can in the future charge there will need to be a change of law. That will not be happening any time soon. So if you have just a computer you need to pay precisely nothing - assumes of course you do not have a radio anywhere which is getting to be rather difficult these days....
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Re: Your mp3 player is going to cost you more in Switzerland..

What next tax the oxygen we breath? Oops shouldn't give them ideas

I thought getting out of the UK would gt me away from stealth taxes and ridiculous tax law makers. Seems I was wrong. oops just accessed my hard drive that will be 10CHF please. Err.

On another note I'm stunned personally by the music industry. One of my oldest friends co-fronts a successful band in Australia. Recently they toured the UK as a support act on a stadium tour. My Friend told me that they actually had to pay to be the support act and not an unsignificant sum either. The stories I've been told about the industry by my friends experiences. It's laughable. Promises made and broken. Things being arranged for months and then cancelled at the last minute. Dodgy contracts etc.
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On another note I'm stunned personally by the music industry. One of my oldest friends co-fronts a successful band in Australia. Recently they toured the UK as a support act on a stadium tour. My Friend told me that they actually had to pay to be the support act and not an unsignificant sum either. The stories I've been told about the industry by my friends experiences. It's laughable. Promises made and broken. Things being arranged for months and then cancelled at the last minute. Dodgy contracts etc.
Having been on the fringe of the music industry for many years your story sounds right.

I always try and remember these words:
"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."
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Re: Your mp3 player is going to cost you more in Switzerland..

I believe that this is a one time tax thing and the tax in question will be imposed each time you buy a new mp3 player after the said date.

The music industry has been badly affected with the introduction of mp3. People are not buying CDs anymore, thus not allowing the record execs to buy his/her 4th Lamborgini Diablo/Yacht/Penthouse.

It's all a bloody scam and this will only increase the usage of p2p software.

CHF25 is nothing compare to CHF2000 if working DJ who uses mp3 as his/her media of choice has to pay annually.
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Typical politicos getting it wrong. Don't they get it we buy most of our stuff online now legally like iTunes +?
muaha haaaa ha ha ha ha... hee heee haw haw ...

oh darn. you're serious, are you ????
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As soon as they introduce that new tax, I'll stop buying music, it's that easy.

oh my .... i guess my excuse is I thought that law had been introduced about a decade ago ...
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Re: Your mp3 player is going to cost you more in Switzerland..

As an aside - this was in today's "paper"....
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4226944a28.html

4GB Ipod Nano prices around the world, from most - least expensive:


1. Brazil $369.61
2. Bulgaria $318.60
3. Argentina $317.45
4. Israel $300.80
5. Peru $294.08
6. Chile $294.06
7. Malta $293.83
8. Egypt $269.10
9. Romania $266.60
10. Uruguay $260.00
11. Turkey $256.12
12. Hungary $254.50
13. Azerbaijan $252.11
14. Serbia $249.14
15. Croatia $245.41
16. Czech $242.54
17. Slovakia $234.13
18. Estonia $226.67
19. Sth Africa $226.60
20. Finland $225.82
21. France $225.82
22. Russia $220.32
23. Norway $220.20
24. Sweden $215.35
25. Belgium $211.62
26. Austria $211.62
27. Italy $211.62
28. Portugal $211.62
29. Ireland $211.62
30. Germany $211.62
31. Netherlands $211.62
32. Denmark $209.26
33. UK $201.92
34. Mexico $201.87
35. Cyprus $201.85
36. Luxembourg $201.12
37. Poland $200.52
38. Philippines $198.39
39. Spain $197.42
40. Greece $196.51
41. Switzerland $195.43
42. India $183.47
43. Malaysia $181.82
44. Korea $180.60
45. New Zealand $180.58
46. China $179.63
47. Pakistan $179.48
48. Australia $175.42
49. Thailand $174.89
50. Canada $169.68
51. Singapore $167.31
52. Taiwan $165.82
53. Japan $154.21
54. US $149.00
55. Hong Kong $148.12

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Old 05.10.2007, 16:15
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Re: Your mp3 player is going to cost you more in Switzerland..

According to a salesman in my computer shop, a Suisa exponent or politician responsible for the music player tax has admitted on Swiss TV that the fees are too high. They're going to rework the tax but this will take 18-24 months. Since I can't find a source for this online I'm not entirely convinced this is going to happen.
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Re: Your mp3 player is going to cost you more in Switzerland..

So does this mean that if a person buys an mp3 in switzerland, loads it up with 4 gb of pirated music, the music industry cant do anything to him because he paid the copyright fees, and this is no longer unlicensed music?
and how does the P2P thing work here, generellay when you download the files whatever you are downloading is also available for upload even if the download is not complete. so using a P2P network will mean you always make the material available to other users? From what I hear this is the argument used in some of the US lawsuits
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Old 17.10.2007, 19:06
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So does this mean that if a person buys an mp3 in switzerland, loads it up with 4 gb of pirated music, the music industry cant do anything to him because he paid the copyright fees, and this is no longer unlicensed music?
and how does the P2P thing work here, generellay when you download the files whatever you are downloading is also available for upload even if the download is not complete. so using a P2P network will mean you always make the material available to other users? From what I hear this is the argument used in some of the US lawsuits
Nope, it's still illegal to copy music and the music companies will likely still persist with schemes like bastardised CDs (to stop you ripping them) and suing people - their customers - who are swapping music online.

It's just that they'll now make money from every single music player sold irrespective of whether it's ever used with illegally copied music. Because the person who bought the player might use it to play copied music and that in turn might cause the companies an unquantifiable loss in potential revenue, everyone has to pay them money to compensate.

They say the money will go to 'the artists'. Anyone who knows anything about the music biz knows the money will most likely go on Columbian nose powder and high class callgirls for record execs.


What a scheme, eh? I guess blatant theft of money from the consumer's wallet is easier when you've got bags of cash to spend on buying politicians' votes.
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Old 18.10.2007, 03:18
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Re: Your mp3 player is going to cost you more in Switzerland..

A law draft has recently been finished, but it hasn't become effective yet. It is a bit more consumer friendly than a few other European counterparts. Here are the new rules:

It is legal to circumvent copy protection mechanisms to exercise the rights you already own: private use aka copying, sharing with friends, relatives, pretty much everything non-commercial and non-public.

P2P sharing already is illegal without the consent of the copyright holder even when done without commercial intent. However to protect users that can't distinguish copyright protected and less protected material, P2P downloading is legal for personal use.

This means it is legal to fill an MP3 player with pirated music, but before you resell it, you have to delete it.

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All the details are available here in English.
The text of the two new laws is available here (German and French PDFs)
Article about the consumer rights in German.
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They say the money will go to 'the artists'. Anyone who knows anything about the music biz knows the money will most likely go on Columbian nose powder and high class callgirls for record execs.


What a scheme, eh? I guess blatant theft of money from the consumer's wallet is easier when you've got bags of cash to spend on buying politicians' votes.
How do they know which artists I listen to? What if they give the money (or what's left over from the Bolivian marching powder and ladies of the night) to DJ Bobo?
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Re: Your mp3 player is going to cost you more in Switzerland..

Starting July 1st the storage tax will be significantly lower: 70-95% less. Also, the bothersome different taxation of flash memory and HDDs will end. (source in German)
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How do they know which artists I listen to? What if they give the money (or what's left over from the Bolivian marching powder and ladies of the night) to DJ Bobo?
...then we may be treated to DJ Bobo's Bolivian Marching Band re-mix, which I think we can all agree would be money well spent

...I don't thing I get this whole concept tho. What do they want to tax exactly? MP3 players in any form? ex: phones, computers, etc based on it's memory size? What about blank SD cards and mp3 players with no internal memory?(ie: that use flash cards) ...I read a little of the links here, but I still don't get it. A stand-alone mp3 player with integrated memory would be easy to understand, but after that things get muddy...
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Starting July 1st the storage tax will be significantly lower: 70-95% less. Also, the bothersome different taxation of flash memory and HDDs will end. (source in German)
Sorry, I don't fully understand.. I have been tax for storage? How much will the taxation decrease?
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Old 06.06.2009, 16:10
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Re: Your mp3 player is going to cost you more in Switzerland..

Since 2007 there's a tax on HDDs and flash memory in MP3 players and video recorders. There is no tax on PC storage and separately sold flash memory that can be used for cameras. The old tax list can be found on page 1 of this thread.

No complete formula or list is available so far, instead the foundation for consumer protection (that participated in the renegotiations) gives the following information in the press release:
  • 1 GB MP3 player: 0.80 Fr. (formerly 14.85 Fr.)
  • 16 GB MP3 Player: 12.80 Fr. (76.51 Fr. until April 2008, 28.85 Fr. until June 2009)
  • 250 GB Video recorder: 25.- Fr. (formerly 86.50 Fr.)
  • According to NZZ there's also a rule that the tax must not be more than 20% of the price of sale. (I was easily in the tens when I bought my 8 GB flash memory MP3 player in 2007 )
So I guess the new tax is -.80 Fr./GB for MP3 players and -.10 Fr./GB for video recorders, flat.
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Old 06.06.2009, 17:40
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  • 16 GB MP3 Player: 12.80 Fr. (76.51 Fr. until April 2008, 28.85 Fr. until June 2009)
Does this apply to phones as well? For example: the Nokia N97 comes with 16GB internal memory, and the phone has an mp3 player included in it (as most phones today do) ...so is this and other similar phones also subjet to the same tax as a stand-alone 16GB mp3 player would?
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Old 06.06.2009, 17:58
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Re: Your mp3 player is going to cost you more in Switzerland..

No, so far there's no fee on cell phones. Don't give them ideas!

The only fee charged here is -.07 Fr. for recycling. Hence you can dispose of your old phone in every electronics and telecommunication shop. Like old MP3 players.
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