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Old 04.11.2010, 11:54
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Re: Swissier than the Swiss?

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One can love a country without being convinced that it is perfect
Thats exactly the feeling of being in unconditional Love with a country.

Now for a native country,this kind of love would be called patriotism,but very soon this very Patriotism would taste bitter if the imperfections of the place of birth annoys one so much that one feels suffocated to reside there anymore.When you have this feeling that seems that people are only after your services and cares a damn about how you feel or what difference you want to make in a community,because many people are in so much love with corrupted ideas,that they would take the idea of a healthy society as some kind of Utopian dream.....it would be difficult to explain and accept the way of life then.

And if this kind of Love, all of a sudden you start feeling for a country where you are not born into.........then something different must have caught the thought process of the mind....a thought process that had so long endured living conditions as good as being in hell.The new place starts feeling different and no even a vacation in Caribbean islands would seem heavenly.But to get a better idea,like I did in CH,roamed the streets and gullies of CH cities till late in the night as far as 3.00am in the morning.Interacting with people in usual ways,trying to be as close to any negatives that may crop up.Just comparing the relative difference in the cultural and social behavior and disciplines,ultimately to arrive at a conclusion that Switzerland is not a Utopia,but it is definitely better and evolved in social structure,organized way of life,road manners and disciplines,social rules and many other things which are in perfect harmony with Nature.

............Maybe that is my way of liking things.Some people may love countries with a lot of coastline,but sea makes me sick.Some people may like a more busier street on the city,but I am claustrophobic.Some people may like to use foul talks every moment while driving and die on broken roads,but I would like to abide by traffic rules and would love to die because of speed and not freak accidents.Others may like hot weather but sweating makes me ill.

All these brings me to something,we are the best judge of ourselves.What we want or what we like to make out of this life.

If a family fails to realize your worth in it.......then you may walk out to find that there are some others who would value your presence much.

And there are always some way or other to serve the idea we are in Love with.Performing duties towards that Love sounds responsible.And if more duties are asked from us for the Love,then that would call for some rights that would officially bind us with those duties.......that is when being responsible as a citizen of a country you Love so much would count.

I hope no good human claims rights or facilities until and unless they handle some responsibilities of a Concept.
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The use of the CH passport is just SVP propaganda

FYI: The passport is used symbolically for citizenship.
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Re: Swissier than the Swiss?

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I was asking native-born Swiss people.
Ok, here we go.
Being superior as a native-born-Swiss doesn't mean that
I don't respect the others.
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Just to disappoint you. A majority of Swiss people do NOT even own such a CH passport, but what the own is a paper of showing their citizenship of the "Gemeinde" in question, and for travelling purposes the "Identitätskarte"

which is THE travelling document in use in 97% of all travels of Swiss people. The use of the CH passport is just SVP propaganda

That's an interesting concept: the Gemeinde. After living here now for 1.5 years and countless summers here when I was younger, I have still never actually visited my Gemeinde, never even passed through.

Is this similar to other countries? I'm used to the idea that you're connected to either 1. Your permanent residence or 2. Place of birth.
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Old 05.11.2010, 22:34
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FYI: The passport is used symbolically for citizenship.
Of course. But exactly THIS is demagogery in its worst form They of course use the personal document which is red and has the national symbolism on it, and NOT the identity-card, which in reality is the important one ! In other words, they MISuse symbols for ideological extremism.
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Old 05.11.2010, 22:46
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That's an interesting concept: the Gemeinde. After living here now for 1.5 years and countless summers here when I was younger, I have still never actually visited my Gemeinde, never even passed through.

Is this similar to other countries? I'm used to the idea that you're connected to either 1. Your permanent residence or 2. Place of birth.
The place of birth is irrelevant here.

A) The "Heimat-Gemeinde" is the first thing. I came to that place on my 10th birthday and visited the place about three times since then in 50 years.

B) You can become a citizen of your permanent residence, which is of some technical advantages. And become a "double-citizen", which in my case means "citizen of Wyssachen + Zürich"

C) the permanent residence place is the one where you are entitled to vote, etc .... even if you are NOT a citizen

And do not forget that any town with more than 10'000 inhabitants and any village which in the past got city-rights is legally a CITY, which means that it has its own parliament and its own government (each minister of such a city government personally elected), and so with a quite considerable autonomy. Do not forget further on that the bulk of your taxes goes to A) the Canton and B) your town (or village), but only what used to be the "military tax" in WWII and now is the Bundessteuer (Federal Tax) to the union .... and that is a rather small part

And, be aware of the point that a majority of the Swiss people lives in such "cities" !
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Of course. But exactly THIS is demagogery in its worst form They of course use the personal document which is red and has the national symbolism on it, and NOT the identity-card, which in reality is the important one ! In other words, they MISuse symbols for ideological extremism.

So then Quo Vadis Tell me what you think is the point of being Swiss.
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Old 05.11.2010, 23:30
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So then Quo Vadis Tell me what you think is the point of being Swiss.

NONE ! Most people here are not "Swiss" but first of all "members" of the Canton in question and as a result of that "Swiss". If you as a foreigner get citizenship, it is NOT federal citizenship but the citizenship of Canton and town. A business partner of me in Nicosia, of Italian-Egyptian origin, in a sitting together with the ambassadors of Italy and Switzerland, became part of a bet between the two gents. The Italy ambassador said that the CH-a. would NOT get him the CH citizenship, in spite of the fact that the man had lived in CH for more than a decade (50ies/60ies). The CH-ambassador made a bit for 24 bottles of best Italian wines that he would succeed. He made Mr Sc... a citizen of the City of Winterthur and the Canton of Zurich within less than 6 months. Mr Sc.... on his next visit to CH visited Winterthur and had a very happy time in one of the best Italian restaurants overthere


PS: The Italian ambassador had to deliver the wine, but the CH ambassador arranged meetings of them 3 plus wifes and family to enjoy the wine !
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OMG. As a former expat in the mainland, I'd totally forgotten the joys of the 'Big Mountain' prostitute.

First week in Switzerland and I'm loving it!
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OMG. As a former expat in the mainland, I'd totally forgotten the joys of the 'Big Mountain' prostitute.

First week in Switzerland and I'm loving it!
and in what Canton do you now have your lodgings ?

and what country/state/region are you from ?
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OMG. As a former expat in the mainland, I'd totally forgotten the joys of the 'Big Mountain' prostitute.
haha, thought exactly the same when I saw that
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Vaud, Lausanne to be specific. I'm originally German, but spent most of my life in South Africa.

I just realized the irony of my previous post.

In Mandarin, 'Da' is big, 'shan' is mountain, hence Dashan being the Big Mountain. Prostitute, just because of the way he sold is soul to CCTV (the state broadcaster).

*Disclaimer* - Big Mountain Prostitute was not meant to offend anyone/anything Swiss or Swiss-centric, this being the land of big mountains and all.

I really should not drink and get on the Internet.
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Re: Swissier than the Swiss?

I think it's a pretty normal feeling. Born british doesn't mean you will like Britain, there's even people who leaves Britain because they don't like it. For the same reason, there are Swiss who do not entirely like Switzerland. But when a foreigner decides to abandon his citizenship in favour of Swiss citizenship then surely he or she must be totally in love with that country, as much as is possible to love a country, more so than most of swiss-born; I'm talking, of course, of non-economic immigrants, i.e. those who leave for Switzerland just because they like the country, not because they need to.
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When my husband gets his Swiss nationality (which will happen as he has been married to a Swiss for 39 years and now lives here, speaks the local language, has a good knowledge of the culture, history, geography, etc) - he will be SWISS and not just Neuchatelois, where we live, or 'Jurassien', where my family hails from. And he will retain his British nationality, and always be British too (just as I am both, but t'other way round). Surely.

Mind you, he hasn'g got it yet - and already he is becoming 'Swissier than the Swiss', which annoys me hugely. I mean, I decided to travel the world and then marry a Brit, because I didn't find the 'average' Swiss attractive- and loved the British sense of humour, tolerance and laissez-faire (don't you love English expressions) - I went to the Isle of Wight to see Hendrix, loved HAIR and Carnaby Street - I don't want him to turn all SWISS on me now.
and thank Dog he is too old to join the army - I can't stand a man in uniform. (but as a kid I love the Army biscuits).

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Re: Swissier than the Swiss?

To me there are no 2nd-class Swiss. Once a person has come to love this country, learned one of its languages, supports its political and judicial system, has a job and has a circle of friends, then there is no reason why that person shouldn't be regarded as a full Swiss citizen regardless of whether that person's name is Kaushik, Milos, Woo-Suhl or Junzhe.
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Re: Swissier than the Swiss?

Anyone who is half-Austrian and lives in America is, of course, already 'corrupted' in some way and is thus hardly eligible to reply to this Thread as an example of a true Eidgenosse. His opinion as to the veracity of having two-classes of Swiss Citizens is invalid.
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loved HAIR and Carnaby Street - I don't want him to turn all SWISS on me now.
and thank Dog he is too old to join the army - I can't stand a man in uniform. (but as a kid I love the Army biscuits).
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When my husband gets his Swiss nationality (which will happen as he has been married to a Swiss for 39 years and now lives here, speaks the local language, has a good knowledge of the culture, history, geography, etc) - he will be SWISS and not just Neuchatelois, where we live, or 'Jurassien', where my family hails from. And he will retain his British nationality, and always be British too (just as I am both, but t'other way round). Surely.

Mind you, he hasn'g got it yet - and already he is becoming 'Swissier than the Swiss', which annoys me hugely. I mean, I decided to travel the world and then marry a Brit, because I didn't find the 'average' Swiss attractive- and loved the British sense of humour, tolerance and laissez-faire (don't you love English expressions) - I went to the Isle of Wight to see Hendrix, loved HAIR and Carnaby Street - I don't want him to turn all SWISS on me now.
and thank Dog he is too old to join the army - I can't stand a man in uniform. (but as a kid I love the Army biscuits).
Your husband technically will become a citizen of the Republic and Canton of Neuchâtel, and so Swiss as a side-result. The written things he will get will of course come from the State Chancellory of the Republic and Canton of Neuchâtel
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How much time did you spend in the Midlands and North, just out of curiosity?
I never stayed much in the "UK outback", but visited places like Bristol and Newcastle. And felt that the natives there, I mean Newcastle, were rather on the reserved side and a bit "cold", and was happy when I found a nice Indian restaurant with friendly people and superb cuisine !

Not to speak of the folks in Edinburgh and Glasgow
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2 years in London - then 4 in Staffs and 34 in Leics - does that count DB?
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