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And there cannot be "a lot" as also this is / was not possible. So please be a bit more careful. I know/knew hundreds of Swiss who would have taken any available chance NOT to go to military service.

If you decided to refuse military service you got incarcerated on the Zugerberg for a full year ! This is the reality.
I know someone who is currently undertaking a research project as the alternative to doing military service.
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I know someone who is currently undertaking a research project as the alternative to doing military service.
I however know a colleague who did NOT do a "research project as the alternative to doing military service" but when getting the invitation to get to the recruitment office emigrated to Australia

He came back on visits as soon as he had become an Australian citizen, which was amazingly soon (less than 5 years)
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I however know a colleague who did NOT do a "research project as the alternative to doing military service" but when getting the invitation to get to the recruitment office emigrated to Australia

He came back on visits as soon as he had become an Australian citizen, which was amazingly soon (less than 5 years)
I thought that the Swiss army was one of the finest (consisted of the finests) in the world and no place for deserters. Did the local authorities accept his wuss
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I thought that the Swiss army was one of the finest (consisted of the finests) in the world and no place for deserters.

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Did the local authorities accept his wuss?
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I give you a practical example. A businessman I know, who now lives in Nicosia, grew up, as an Italian, in Cairo, then after 1958 lived in Switzerland until 1969, and then, after stays in Ankara and Tehran, in about 1974 got settled in Cyprus, for many years met the ambassadors of Switzerland and Italy for a nice round of card games (Jass), but one evening the Italian ambassador told the CH colleague "you will never succeed to make Br.... a CH-citizen", and then the CH... said "I WILL succeed within 3 months, but if so, you will have to hand me 12 bottles of good Italian wine, if not, I will be the one to give you 12 bottles of good Italian wine. 2 months later, Mr B... S... got a phone call of the Swiss ambassador "can you come to my embassy, your new passport is ready". And Mr B... S.... then learnt that Mr Ambassador had made him a citizen of the City of Winterthur (his own town) and the Canton of Zurich via the City governement of Winterthur. Mr B... S... had lived in Zurich Wollishofen for many years but had never been in Winterthur, but since then has paid some visit to "his" town !
Thanks, Wolli! You told the story of Signore B.S. and the 12 bottles of Italian wine in another thread, but like good wine it's good enjoying them again!
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I however know a colleague who did NOT do a "research project as the alternative to doing military service" but when getting the invitation to get to the recruitment office emigrated to Australia

He came back on visits as soon as he had become an Australian citizen, which was amazingly soon (less than 5 years)
Am I correct in thinking that one can actually choose between doing military service and civil service of some sort, generally?
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I thought that the Swiss army was one of the finest (consisted of the finests) in the world and no place for deserters. Did the local authorities accept his wuss
The point that the authorities had a definite dislike for his "opting out" was why he stayed away from Switzerland until he had an Australian passport and that the Swiss Army is the best in the world is just a notion of the defence minister He however was NOT a deserter as he never was in the army but simply an emigrant and an "evader". He later on of course left his CH passport in Melbourne and used his Australian passport. He went as far as using his CH passport for travels to China, but before continuing his travel to Europe sent his CH-passport back to Melbourne and then used his Australia passport !

and, ehhhmmmm, do you have any doubts that the Swiss soldiers AAARE the finest
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Am I correct in thinking that one can actually choose between doing military service and civil service of some sort, generally?
It was practically impossible until just a few years ago. No choice available at all. But the threat to get into a year of imprisonment on the Zugerberg (in German "14 Monate Zuchthaus unbedingt". And even now, things are not that easy. If you try to opt for civil service you will be in the service much longer, and a nice number of other factors are used as a deterrent. Have you wondered recently why CH landed up relatively low on the list in regard to democracy ? Well, exactly THIS is one of the reasons. And until not so many years ago, a majority of the Governing Council (Bundesrat) used to be Colonels (Oberst a.D. / Oberstleutnant a.D.) and Brigadiers (Brigadier a.D.), so that I felt that it at times just was a "democratically elected Junta" !
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Those who refuse often end up practically un-employable.
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...and end up in senior positions in the investment banks
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Not in the cities and the larger towns, but definitely so in smaller towns and in the villages, as influential people in villages and small towns tend to be higher officers in military service, which means that also modern people in such places are practically FORCED to do military service
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...and end up in senior positions in the investment banks
if owned by companies abroad ! but nicely into the 90ies, CH banks were managed by people who in military service were colonels, brigadiers and Divisionäre (division commander) and even corps commanders (Korps-Kommandanten) = one-star, two-stars, three-stars generals ! Which meant that if you intended to get some careers in one of the leading banks you had to secure the post of a lieutenant as an absolute minimum.

Just to give you some names of colonels (incl slightly lower) :
Christoph Blocher = Colonel
Adolf Ogi = Major
Samuel Schmid = Colonel
Johann Schneider-Ammann = Colonel
Kaspar Villiger = Captain
Arnold Koller = Colonel-Lieutenant
Fritz Honegger = Colonel

THIS why I find a majority of women in the Federal governement a good thing. As it reduces the power of the Kamarilla !
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