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16.11.2010, 14:24
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| | | Re: What if? Consequences of expulsion initiative being accepted?
| Quote: | |  | | | It is not about the criminals. It is about foreigners. The SVP are picking subjects that will incite the population. If the momentum continues then the non criminal foreigners need to be concerned also. | | | | | I'm sorry, but that generalisation and scaremongering is just as bad as those who scream about the "islamification of Europe".
You cannot predict where it will lead.
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16.11.2010, 14:26
| | | | Re: What if? Consequences of expulsion initiative being accepted?
| Quote: | | | | | I think you miss the point - the criminals are only expelled after they commit these offences (not before) & after they are caught, tried & convicted.
So they are only off the streets afterwards - & what difference does it make to the crime rate whether they are off the streets due to being expelled or because they are in jail. | | | | | Not really. A lot of crimes are committed by repeat offenders. And Switzerland has a reputation as being lax on crime and punishment. Prison cells here are said to be somehwat comfortable. So the point is deterrent.
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16.11.2010, 14:26
| | | | Re: What if? Consequences of expulsion initiative being accepted?
| Quote: | | | | | It is not about the criminals. It is about foreigners. The SVP are picking subjects that will incite the population. If the momentum continues then the non criminal foreigners need to be concerned also. | | | | |
That's called paranoia.
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16.11.2010, 14:29
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| | | Re: What if? Consequences of expulsion initiative being accepted?
| Quote: | | | | | No doubt, they are criminal foreigner characters. Detlef, btw, is not likely to be balkan, rather from Germany. Still doesn't change the fact that it is about criminals, and non-criminals need not get excited over it. | | | | | No way... really? Why would they do that? Could they possible get more votes by collecting some of the anti-German tendencies here as well? But that would be unfair and discriminating, wouldn't it? It is after all statistically proven that Germans living in Switzerland are only half as likely to become criminals as Swiss... ( ok, ok: 0.6 times as likely... http://www.20min.ch/news/kreuz_und_quer/story/19052850)
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16.11.2010, 14:29
| | | | Re: What if? Consequences of expulsion initiative being accepted?
| Quote: | | | | | I'm sorry, but that generalisation and scaremongering is just as bad as those who scream about the "islamification of Europe".
You cannot predict where it will lead. | | | | | One can not but generalize on such a medium. In regard to scaremonering well, that is your opinion. It is a point of view that needs to be considered. The problems is the fear of islamification is not only in Europe but growing in the Western world especially in the US. I am not scaremongering but suggesting that htere needs to be a concern.
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16.11.2010, 14:29
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| | | Re: What if? Consequences of expulsion initiative being accepted?
I'm glad, finally someone mentioned it. The problems with those mean lithuanian youth gangs have been swept under the carpet for too long...  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltics | | The following 2 users would like to thank jj muge for this useful post: | |
16.11.2010, 14:29
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| | | Re: What if? Consequences of expulsion initiative being accepted?
| Quote: | | | | | That's called paranoia. | | | | | And this whole initiative isn't about paranoia, of course?
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16.11.2010, 14:31
| | | | Re: What if? Consequences of expulsion initiative being accepted?
| Quote: | | | | | No way... really? Why would they do that? Could they possible get more votes by collecting some of the anti-German tendencies here as well? But that would be unfair and discriminating, wouldn't it? It is after all statistically proven that Germans living in Switzerland are only half as likely to become criminals as Swiss... ( ok, ok: 0.6 times as likely... http://www.20min.ch/news/kreuz_und_quer/story/19052850) | | | | |
Aha, Detlef could just as well be from Austria, right? You see how objective this thing could be.
Ivan S. could just as well be russian.
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16.11.2010, 14:31
| | | | Re: What if? Consequences of expulsion initiative being accepted?
| Quote: | | | | | And this whole initiative isn't about paranoia, of course? | | | | |
Not really. It's just a smart solution to fix a problem. It means less police on the streets, and less prisons to build.
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16.11.2010, 14:34
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| | | Re: What if? Consequences of expulsion initiative being accepted?
| Quote: | | | | | Aha, Detlef could just as well be from Austria, right? You see how objective this thing could be.
Ivan S. could just as well be russian. | | | | | Bringing pendantry into the argument won't hide the fact the posters are understood by all to refer to Germans and Yugos. The context is well established.
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16.11.2010, 14:35
| | | | Re: What if? Consequences of expulsion initiative being accepted?
| Quote: | | | | | That's called paranoia. | | | | | 70 years ago they said the same thing about what happened in Germany.
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16.11.2010, 14:36
| | | | Re: What if? Consequences of expulsion initiative being accepted?
| Quote: | | | | | Bringing pendantry into the argument won't hide the fact the posters are understood by all to refer to Germans and Yugos. The context is well established. | | | | | The nationalities depicted, in fact, the posters themselves, are irrelevent to the merit of the initiative, which is an economic solution to crime prevention and rehabilitation.
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16.11.2010, 14:36
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| | | Re: What if? Consequences of expulsion initiative being accepted?
| Quote: | | | | | Bringing pendantry into the argument won't hide the fact the posters are understood by all to refer to Germans and Yugos. The context is well established. | | | | | Can I add to the pedantry by saying that I think the model in the posters is actually Brazilian? I belive the SVP bought the image from a US stock photo company. Then again, that was in 20 minutes....
And can I just add, isn't "Yugo" the equivalent of "Paki"?
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16.11.2010, 14:37
| | | | Re: What if? Consequences of expulsion initiative being accepted?
| Quote: | | | | | Bringing pendantry into the argument won't hide the fact the posters are understood by all to refer to Germans and Yugos. The context is well established. | | | | | There you go. So the question is what are the consequences. What will be the next initiative?
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16.11.2010, 14:38
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| | | Re: What if? Consequences of expulsion initiative being accepted?
| Quote: | | | | | 70 years ago they said the same thing about what happened in Germany. | | | | | war had been declared by then so hardly paranoia
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16.11.2010, 14:38
| | | | Re: What if? Consequences of expulsion initiative being accepted?
| Quote: | | | | | 70 years ago they said the same thing about what happened in Germany. | | | | |
If you think that is what it is about, it may be time to have an exit plan from Switzerland, if you are a foreigner and afraid.
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16.11.2010, 14:38
| | | | Re: What if? Consequences of expulsion initiative being accepted?
| Quote: | | | | | The nationalities depicted, in fact, the posters themselves, are irrelevent to the merit of the initiative, which is an economic solution to crime prevention and rehabilitation. | | | | | Do you always beleiev what the politicians tell you?
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16.11.2010, 14:39
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| | | Re: What if? Consequences of expulsion initiative being accepted?
| Quote: | | | | | And can I just add, isn't "Yugo" the equivalent of "Paki"? | | | | | No, "Yugos" are from the Ex-Yugoslavia, Pakis are from Pakistan
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16.11.2010, 14:40
| | | | Re: What if? Consequences of expulsion initiative being accepted?
| Quote: | | | | | If you think that is what it is about, it may be time to have an exit plan from Switzerland, if you are a foreigner and afraid. | | | | | No, it is time to speak out to let people know that all foreigners are not bad and make huge contributions.
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16.11.2010, 14:41
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| | | Re: What if? Consequences of expulsion initiative being accepted?
| Quote: | | | | | No, "Yugos" are from the Ex-Yugoslavia, Pakis are from Pakistan | | | | | Are you actually correcting me?
Or just being facetious?
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