At the time of the Minaret Initiative there was only one project for a Minaret, which at the time already was approved, in Langenthal, and there is now a legal struggle between one side insisting that the project as approved BEFORE that vote and those who say that the beginning of the construction is the point.

The number of foreign criminals to be "kicked out" will be rather limited even if it is difficult to guess about the real number.

Like people who were born here and grew up here?

I've already answered that question. Go back and check. Thank you.

Congratulations, you have started the nit-picking. Like I said, I voted Gegenvorschlag, which had the Integration thing in it.

Great post Mr. Wollishofener, now we're heading the same direction, so if these are the facts about the whole initiative (which is true) and 55% of the voters supported it, then they are definitely responsible for their own votes and wanted to prove an opinion.

This whole initiative was disgrace, humiliating and disgusting by all means from start to end, it classifies the society into categories and it pushes on more boundaries and hatred between society members citizens and residents, supporting it means voters agreed on every single step of the whole campaign from the press, media, advertising and results, they knew very well it is not appropriate to present it this way, they knew it would leave many foreigners feeling not welcome, they knew it's discriminative, yet chose to vote yes, to accept such methods from their own political party, this means no respect whatsoever to foreigners.

I am not talking only politics here, but on the human level too.

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Actually yes they can:

Der Gesetzgeber umschreibt die Tatbestände nach Absatz 3 näher. Er kann sie um weitere Tatbestände ergänzen

But it shows the strength of the initiative that no one has an idea how the law will look like. By the sounds of it will familiar to the counter initiative anyway. The SVP has promised the justice minister that misdemeanors won't be punished with expulsion so it looks like there will need to be a minimum sentence. The parlament can add plus any criminals who are sentenced to two years prision and there you go that's basically the counter initiative

Edit. Just wanted to add that the SVP seem to have found their success formula. Once they went against all foreigners they always lost so they're now going against the 'bad' foreigners like those evil muslims who keep their wifes locked up at home 'minarett initiative' and now against criminal foreigners. I'm expecting similar votes in the future. They're thinking about a law that requires all foreigners to sign a contract that they'll accept Swiss laws and traditions. I won't be surprised if a new initiative wants to stop any ex-cons moving here as well. (not that I would agree with it)

Not entirely true, actually.

The fact that is visible to everyone is the results, unless there's solid verified facts that the same people who voted yes were actually against the campaign itself, i will stand my ground on this opinion.

Just because you might agree with something in principle, doesn't mean to say you necessarily have to approve of the way in which it was presented.

The difference between Germany and Switzerland mainly is that an appeal can be made separately against the deportation-order, while the lawyer for the defence in Switzerland will have to put all his efforts into the appeal against the general court verdict. Back to Germany, I much doubt that a separate appeal against the deportation order has a good chance as the text looks very clear.

Well, it for sure is a tragedy that Switzerland failed to conquer parts of Siberia or Guyane or St. Helena or New South Wales

So it's the same concept as we agree and enjoy a better economy but we don't approve it's because of dirty money in our banks........that's so much grey area for me

This is where I can help. Language teacher here:
There are neither ideas nor logic, so why would there be any ideology?

My inner self tells me SVP/UDC/PPS is just doing the preparation work for the next elections. They don't care that much about foreigners, they just want to get the controle of the federa council by being strong enough in parliament to get three seats one day, Widmer-Schlumpf being ejected by then. They go for power as such, not for anything in particular within politics. They lounge initiatives without knowing exactly what they actually contain. The yesterday one is a crown example of it.

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Es wird nichts ausgelassen, um mich hier herauszuekeln. Ein Lehrbuch. False accusations and attacks continue. There is no stopping righteous people when they are wrong.

What are you talking about?

I fear that some of the SVP members (Schlür) who finance the hate campaigns do have really a nasty policy plan in their heads.

Is he for real?

Why should "army duty" stop anyone from becoming Swiss if they feel they are Swiss?

Wow!

I am not sure how to call this statement...

Eh! Why should I care about the Minaret initiative? I am not muslim! Eh! Why should I care about women violence? I am not a woman. Why should I care about Haiti, I am not black, nor from the country.

Why should I care about the expulsion of criminal foreigners (even the one born here) I am not a criminal and I am not one of those foreigners that the swiss are threaten by...

If tomorrow you are dying on the sidewalk, why should I help you? I don't know you, I am busy and it won't change anything in my life that your alive or dead....

Good way of thinking isn't it? Don't care about anything that doesn't touch you directly. Mind your own business and F**k off the rest of the population because it doesn't concern me anyway!

No, of course it isn't a good way of thinking. But neither is hysteria, paranoia or ignoring what was really voted on: criminal foreigners and not foreigners in general.

It was a pathetic attempt to relieve the fear expressed on this board. Obviously it failed. I will ask for it to be deleted since it can easily be taken out of context.

Nicely pointed out and very well interpreted Nil....drinks on me for that one