Yes they can. They can put them in prison (or whatever) just like any other French criminals.

Egalité

No, it's not a fantasy. Switzerland is a small place. It's a matter of intelligence. I would opt for more higher quality citizens, and less lower quality citizens (criminals). You guys can keep the criminals in your home countries if you wish.

Speaking of cost....



You propose Switzerland builds more prisons and hire more police? Well, I'm glad it isn't up to you.

France is yet another example for showing politicians say one thing and do another one..just to win votes. The groups of gypsies from Rou&Bg (the not so-popular-to say the least EU-2) are not what I would define as a threat to public order, or is it only me who think so?
Anyway, I've seen interviews with gypsies expelled from France. I got the idea: "We did nothing wrong, we'll be back in 2 weeks"

Did I suggest this?

I don't think putting more people in prison necessarily brings down crime . . . just look at the US. It's still a valid punishment for other reasons though.

No one's really figured out exactly what it is that brings down crime . . . otherwise they'd all be doing it.

In terms of costs, I'm more worried about the social costs of heavy handed legislation.

It's funny that the supporters of small government somehow jettison that when it comes to law and order.

Did you suggest anything else?

I'll tell you what brings crime down... economic prosperity. It means people not committing crimes because they find a more profitable way to live. Solve that, and you can solve the problems of the whole world.

It's funny how liberals like to complain, yet never really offer a viable solution. And when they do offer one, it backfires into one big social mess.

But..is this your home country..more than it is to me or anyone else on this forum? Why?

Basically what I wrote on the second post in this thread except "why bother with unmanned border posts"? With Schengen you do not have to show passports at border posts anymore!

Another concern is what about people born in Switzerland of foreign parents & second generation etc. They are not Swiss & could be shipped off to a country that maybe they never ever visited & maybe do not even speak the local language.

Not sure that is a good comparison? The French did it once & asy ou say it has died down. The Swiss will be doing it every week so keeping the news & reactions fresh.

Do you want a philosophical answer, or a legal answer? Is Switzerland a public space open to anyone and everyone who wants to live here? By what right does anyone who comes here call this home?

I'm afraid I'm not the one in our conversation wanting to live in a phantasy world.

Jus cogens / non-derogatory International Law eg Protected Persons / Refugees

Calm down.. I was talking about the people who are living here "legally", having a residence/work permit.. not just everyone and anyone.. The residence permit entitles me to call CH - home, at least for the time being...Is the country of origin not home country anymore? That was my question.

Okay. So how does that apply here?

Well of course you have rights here. While you are here legally, you are provided the same rights as ordinary citizens..... until you break the law.

let's talk about the federal constitution, the laws, and the legal process. Whomever is to appeal has to appeal first to the Cantonal Court of Appeal, and then to the Federal Court, and then can take the way to Strassburg. The Federal government according to the constitution is the Executive and so has NOTHING to do with it.

And now to the minaret case. The Court in Strassburg does not accept a case without a case. Which means that somebody has to take the matter to court. For example, if one of the Muslim communities applies for an exemption approval for a minaret at Brauerstrasse in Zürich (saying that some other things happen on that road) and gets turned down by the authorities, they can take the matter to court, saying it is discriminatory, and then up and up and up.

I was merely giving an example of a foreigner who has the right to call CH home. Non-refoulement is protected against domestic legislation.

'Nuff said.

Not to many, it ain't. Pretty blunt to claim there's no inference. The SVP would be disappointed the message was lost on you. They spent a fair penny getting the tone just 'right'. I don't see any blonde, child-murdering Mothers on the posters. Oh wait, it's only the Serbs, Bosnians et al we're taking about. The 'Right' kind of foreigner - and haven't we all heard that phrase when being checked out by a landlord? - isn't targeted, of course. I guess because they can afford the Seefeld rents.

Have you any idea about how ridiculous this argument is? Oh, you've been banned. Sorry, question withdrawn, as you can't reply.

What's the difference? Is it ok to cause untold misery through funding dubious Dam schemes elsewhere / dodge the legal bullet by having friends in high places (Pace, Marc Rich) / thinking economic crime doesn't damage people? Ah, but that gets complicated. Easier to target the brute with the muskels; the other angle is a little too close to how the bread is brought to the table.

Is there anywhere in the world that has seen a reduction in crime?

Good grief. What next? Blue eyes and atheltic, 1m90 physiques?

Enlightened countries do what they can to increase social integration and opportunity for all. Switzerland does a fair job at this. It works, but costs tax Dollars. Boo, bad bleeding heart, liberal tax Dollars.

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THAT kind of economic crime, I don't mind pursuing. But to punish someone who is simply eeking out a living does not make for a better society.



Many. New York City, California, in fact... most of the US.

Last year Switzerland deported about 1,000 convicted criminals. More would have been deported but an international agreement results in them not being deported for the time being, if their country is in turmoil or they would certainlay be harmed. Hence prisons all over Europe are filling up.

The first referendum from SVP types proposed deporting them all, after the trial. The problem is if they were deported to the EU then they could come back again! There was also a limited set of crimes, financial crime was not included, but social security crime was. Breaking and entering was, but grand theft was not. The whole thing was rushed out without any thought.

The (Gegen Vorschlag) alternative reccommendation is to deport them if the crime deserves at least 18 months in jail. There are other factors and the best explanation I have found is here, http://www.baloti.ch/?lang=en

Some so called 'immigrants' in France have been there for 3 generations, from North Africa Magreb countries (ex colonies) and they are still hugely discriminated against, in every possible way, hence the resentment and malaise. If you want to help integration, you have to address injustice and discrimination- or you end up with trouble. Switzerland has few troubles now - existing laws and legislation are perfectly adequate- so let's not ignore the problems and deal with them. Alienating whole ethnic, religious or other groups is NEVER a recipe for success and integration IMHO.