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Motorcycle advice [2nd hand purchase]

Need advice on motorcycle purchase .

I am about to purchase a second hand BMW 1150 GS 2001 model. It has 40000km and the asking price in 8850CHF.
Seller is unable to show me the service book instead he is giving me the receipts and inventory of 40000km service .

What implication does a bike without service history hold in Switzerland?

Do you think price is acceptable under this situation.

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Re: Motorcycle advice [2nd hand purchase]

service history of the 40k service is not too bad. Find out where it was done too - certainly I have contacts at Moto Mader if it was there.

About 1000 cheaper than this example: http://www.motoscout24.ch/AS24Web/Mo...&page=1&row=10

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Re: Motorcycle advice [2nd hand purchase]

Actually there is only one record of 40k service. All previous services are not known. Under this situation i asked him to redo the MFK which is due this week.
I want to use this bike only for this season and maybe it will be difficult for me to sell the bike without proper history book.


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service history of the 40k service is not too bad. Find out where it was done too - certainly I have contacts at Moto Mader if it was there.

About 1000 cheaper than this example: http://www.motoscout24.ch/AS24Web/Mo...&page=1&row=10

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Actually there is only one record of 40k service. All previous services are not known. Under this situation i asked him to redo the MFK which is due this week.
I want to use this bike only for this season and maybe it will be difficult for me to sell the bike without proper history book.
I'm sure you are right to think that is where you might have problems.

There are plenty of the model out there with FSH so why are you so interested in this one? Price? There you go then .
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I'm sure you are right to think that is where you might have problems.

There are plenty of the model out there with FSH so why are you so interested in this one? Price? There you go then .
Yes you are right about the price. But most of the bikes with FSH are sold by garages with few months guarantee. This bike is with private owner with no guarantee. On top it has no service history...
I have tried several contacts from motoscout but apparently most of these bikes are sold.
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I have tried several contacts from motoscout but apparently most of these bikes are sold.
I think you're right - it does seem that either the ads are left on too long or the market is very liquid. I guess you could go round a few dealers and see what they've actually got in? Are you stuck on a bmtroubleyou or considering other options?
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I think you're right - it does seem that either the ads are left on too long or the market is very liquid. I guess you could go round a few dealers and see what they've actually got in? Are you stuck on a bmtroubleyou or considering other options?
I am more thinking of buying a Gelšnde type...Honda Varadero, Triumph Tiger or BMW 1150GS. I had a Honda VT750C 2004 model which i sold last week.
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Need advice on motorcycle purchase .

I am about to purchase a second hand BMW 1150 GS 2001 model. It has 40000km and the asking price in 8850CHF.
Seller is unable to show me the service book instead he is giving me the receipts and inventory of 40000km service .

What implication does a bike without service history hold in Switzerland?

Do you think price is acceptable under this situation.

Comments are appreciated.
FSH is not such a problem. What is is the lack of service book which tends to imply that the bike is an import. Dealers will not buy imports for the simple reason that the bikes can be imported from Germany or France for almost half the price they are sold here. So for example a very good friend of mine who wanted to upgrade and go Swiss was simply told to sell his bike privately for whatever he could get for it.
Golden Rule is no book no deal... Book with no service is no problem...
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Re: Motorcycle advice [2nd hand purchase]

the GS is a very popular (some might say overpopular) model from BMW. They move very quickly (I see Moto Mader has none for sale).

Don't discount the KTM 950 Adventure but the GS is pretty good (better as 1150 than 1200)
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FSH is not such a problem. What is is the lack of service book which tends to imply that the bike is an import. Dealers will not buy imports for the simple reason that the bikes can be imported from Germany or France for almost half the price they are sold here. So for example a very good friend of mine who wanted to upgrade and go Swiss was simply told to sell his bike privately for whatever he could get for it.
Golden Rule is no book no deal... Book with no service is no problem...
Just called to the seller and showed my concern that the bike could be imported. He replied that the bike is not imported as he got a confirmed receipt/fax from the dealer in Thun where the bike was originally purchased as 0km.
It seems that he got all the papers accept the service book of the bike...
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Re: Motorcycle advice [2nd hand purchase]

I'd say with a new MFK giving it two years validity and the fact that the 40k service was done and it's not an import then you're probably OK.

Is he saying he does not have the service booklet? I am sure the dealer can report the work done on a vehicle with that VIN. Strikes me as odd that someone buys a 20 grand bike and does DIY servicing until 40k....

edit. www.ukgsers.co.uk might be a good place to glean for impressions
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I'd say with a new MFK giving it two years validity and the fact that the 40k service was done and it's not an import then you're probably OK.

Is he saying he does not have the service booklet? I am sure the dealer can report the work done on a vehicle with that VIN. Strikes me as odd that someone buys a 20 grand bike and does DIY servicing until 40k....
That's a good point - should be able to trace it through BMW records.

But I do all my own servicing - don't trust the dealers . Then again, mine is hardly a technologically advanced motorcycle, it has to to be said. Carbs and old fashioned everything.
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Re: Motorcycle advice [2nd hand purchase]

If I was doing my own servicing, I'd still potentially get dealer servicing during warranty....you?

If it had the full 40k service then the obvious should be done. Brake discs and pads included? Final drive lube (or is it sealed for life like mine?). And so-on....
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Re: Motorcycle advice [2nd hand purchase]

The BMW price seems a bit expensive...

This website often has a great range of 2nd hand bikes

http://www.moto24.ch/

I can't get past the Triumph motorcycles? Great bikes, and very good value for money.

Perfect evening for a ride isnt it!
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The BMW price seems a bit expensive...

This website often has a great range of 2nd hand bikes

http://www.moto24.ch/

I can't get past the Triumph motorcycles? Great bikes, and very good value for money.

Perfect evening for a ride isnt it!
expensive? did you click on your website and see the selection of 13 BMWs in the Enduro category of which 3 could be close matches and were all more expensive?
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Is he saying he does not have the service booklet? I am sure the dealer can report the work done on a vehicle with that VIN. Strikes me as odd that someone buys a 20 grand bike and does DIY servicing until 40k....
He cannot find the service booklet. He will check with his BMW dealer for service records.
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Re: Motorcycle advice [2nd hand purchase]

No, I didnt even look to be honest. its a good site with a wide range of bikes

At 40000 kms or so, 8800+ seemed high
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Re: Motorcycle advice [2nd hand purchase]

another valid question to ask him - has it been crashed?

it's certainly been ridden more than the typical 6-year-old Swiss bike (mine's 21 months old with 17k on the clock and no problemo).

Service interval should be 10k too.
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another valid question to ask him - has it been crashed?

it's certainly been ridden more than the typical 6-year-old Swiss bike (mine's 21 months old with 17k on the clock and no problemo).

Service interval should be 10k too.
I asked this question to him. The bike was slipped at 20000km with the speed of 30km/hour. There is no direct impact or dents but minor undetectable scratches on the left side of the tank. The bike is running without any problems.
Wow he is really opening up now.
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Re: Motorcycle advice [2nd hand purchase]

does he have engine protection on it? Cause the first thing down is the cylinder head.

The more you scratch, the more you have to say "sniff sniff"...

I bet he's starting to hate you
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