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Old 17.01.2011, 11:03
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Re: Knocking sound in the car

Reminds me swiss doctors:

patient: doctor, I am in pain, my head is blowing up, maybe we should make MRT scan?

doctor: no need to worry, we are not getting younger, so headaches are normal
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Old 17.01.2011, 11:04
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Reminds me swiss doctors:

patient: doctor, I am in pain, my head is blowing up, maybe we should make MRT scan?

doctor: no need to worry, we are not getting younger, so headaches are normal
Yeah, the mechanic almost made me feel that I was overreacting. However, if his solutions doesnt help, I will be visiting another garage.
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Old 17.01.2011, 11:10
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Re: Knocking sound in the car

I still don't know the nature of sound If it is mechanical, like rattle, then it is not about fuel quality.

Did he used stethoscope at least?
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Old 17.01.2011, 11:14
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Yeah, the mechanic almost made me feel that I was overreacting.
Same with me, when I heard a sound in my Honda CBR 600 engine. So I went to garage (Basset Moto S.A., Geneve) (I still had a warranty) and asked - what this sound means (it was rattling) between 5000 and 6000 rpm.

They did not use stethoscope, just gave a drive and said in the end : it is normal for engine to have rattling sounds. Engines do sound in different way. So they did not fix it by warranty.

I went to nearest honda shop, bought tensioner of distribution chain and changed it myself. Rattling stopped.

It cost me like 140 CHF to buy tensioner and 60 minutes to change. After that engine works like a charm.

So, who was right and who was wrong?

P.S. Recently on motards.ch I saw a post of the guy, who gave his moto to Basset Moto S.A. to change spark plugs. They called him a bit later and told that a piece of spark felt into cylinder and they are going to open it all to extract it. And he will be the one to pay for it Dude went upset, but in the end of the days I guess he payed for it. This post was blocked on motards.ch a bit later, dunno why ...
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Old 17.01.2011, 11:55
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P.S. Recently on motards.ch I saw a post of the guy, who gave his moto to Basset Moto S.A. to change spark plugs. They called him a bit later and told that a piece of spark felt into cylinder and they are going to open it all to extract it. And he will be the one to pay for it Dude went upset, but in the end of the days I guess he payed for it. This post was blocked on motards.ch a bit later, dunno why ...
I once picked up my Aprilia scooter from the dealer (euromoto zuri) only to find they did not put enough oil in it. I ended up writing an extremely angry letter to the Aprilia importer, maybe that's what the guy with the motard should have done. I would have never paid for this extra work...
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I once picked up my Aprilia scooter from the dealer (euromoto zuri) only to find they did not put enough oil in it. I ended up writing an extremely angry letter to the Aprilia importer
I always change oil as the first thing I do after I buy car or motocycle. This is the habit I have after Ukraine, but I see that in Switzerland it is also applied.

Why? You have to change oil each 12k of km or one year, whatever comes first. (these days, I change oil each 3k of km ... I am crazy, I know ...)

Sometimes garages sell motocycle for monthes, and sometimes even years (I am watching this motocycle for three years already: http://www.commerce-moto.ch/detail/d...vorf&form_vorj )

Now, time passes, and I doubt that garage is changing oil periodically for motocycles which are waiting for the buyer. They don't. Then you buy it with old oil and you start to burn the engine
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Old 17.01.2011, 12:04
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Re: Knocking sound in the car

Driving home from the livestock and poultry market with a large chicken I had just purchased in the back, my car developed a fault and stalled. I managed to push the car into a layby and opened the back to get my tools out - the next thing I knew the chicken burst out and flapped away down the road.

I called the AA and when the man came he said, "Just as I expected. Your big hen's gone".

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Old 17.01.2011, 12:06
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Driving home from the livestock and poultry market with a large chicken I had just purchased in the back, my car developed a fault and stalled. I managed to push the car into a layby and opened the back to get my tools out - the next thing I knew the chicken burst out and flapped away down the road.

I called the AA and when the man came he said, "Just as I expected. Your big hen's gone".

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...ah yes, you did strike me as a more rural type of person.
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Old 17.01.2011, 12:08
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Yes, the guy had a look, and said it was "just something in the gas". He promised to give me some additive to add in the fuel tank and then fill 'er up, that should help. If that doesnt help, he will do some cleaning, he said (what exactly he will clean, I am not sure).
He also said that this problem also happens since I drive a lot of short distances, to and from work (always 5 kms one way), which doesnt give a chance to the engine to clear itself of any small junk.

did you tell him the engine warning light has been flicking on and off? did he read the codes? (if he did what where they), if he didn't - get it to another garage ASAP! generally the warning light won't come on for 'somthing in the gas' unless its totally caked all the sensors in shit, even then the light would stay on all the time
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Old 17.01.2011, 12:12
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Re: Knocking sound in the car

Yes, yes, we missed the point of warning indicator and obd scanning.

(maybe english forum community should open its own garage, ha? )
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Old 17.01.2011, 12:13
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did you tell him the engine warning light has been flicking on and off? did he read the codes? (if he did what where they), if he didn't - get it to another garage ASAP! generally the warning light won't come on for 'somthing in the gas' unless its totally caked all the sensors in shit, even then the light would stay on all the time
Yeah, did tell him. He did not read the codes. He said that could happen due to the dirt in the engine sometimes.
I think I will be taking it to another garage.
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Old 17.01.2011, 12:15
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Yeah, did tell him. He did not read the codes. He said that could happen due to the dirt in the engine sometimes.
I think I will be taking it to another garage.
Pfff ... If I would be him, I would read obd codes and it could give a clue what it's all about (fuel sensors, air sensors, oil level sensor) : there are multiple variants here ...
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Old 17.01.2011, 12:21
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Yeah, did tell him. He did not read the codes. He said that could happen due to the dirt in the engine sometimes.
I think I will be taking it to another garage.

LOL LOL (sorry) but what a total pillock (not you the mechanic), why guess when the codes will tell you exactly whats wrong?? the mechanic sounds like a total idiot.

I can't see any valid reason why he wouldn't read the codes? it should be the absolute first step.
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Old 17.01.2011, 12:25
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I can't see any valid reason why he wouldn't read the codes?
That he did not have a code reader at hand?
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Re: Knocking sound in the car

Is this a good price for an OBD, On Board Diagnoser?

http://auto.ricardo.ch/kaufen/fahrze...v/an631491776/

some more here,

http://auto.ricardo.ch/search/search...&ListingType=0
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Old 17.01.2011, 12:45
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That he did not have a code reader at hand?

in a modern garage its the most important tool, if he doesn't have one to hand then you have to question why
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Old 17.01.2011, 13:00
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pc based readers should be around 20

all in ones (with screen) should be around 30

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?rt=nc&...=p3286.c0.m301

pc ones come with a disc full of freeware obd2 s/w or you can splash out on somthing like dashcommand which gives you all the whistles and bells, I have a pc setup with dashcommand in my car if anyone wants to see it in action, real time monitoring and various nice dashboards (I have a replica of the nissan skylines computer dash running )
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in a modern garage its the most important tool, if he doesn't have one to hand then you have to question why
Well, actually since I know him well, he stopped by my house to have a look
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Old 17.01.2011, 13:21
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Re: Knocking sound in the car

This garage is taking the p*** because it sounds like he hasnt got a clue. Get it out of there pronto and go elsewhere!
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Old 17.01.2011, 13:24
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Well, actually since I know him well, he stopped by my house to have a look
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if he just a mate or is he a mechanic?? a proper car mechanic, not a part swapper at the local euromaster.
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