Hello


I thought I would post it again since I didn't really get an answer.

Does anyone know what the invoice prices (what the dealer pays) for cars here in CH? I want to try to go into a dealer with more information than I have right now. Is there an equivalent of Edmunds (USA site) that has all the details?

http://www.edmunds.com/new-cars/




regards

Even if the dealer gets the car for Chf 10.-- you can only buy it at the price he is willing to sell it at and i doubt very much if more than 10% on the sale price is his margin, probably more like 5% top. The garages make money from servicing and the options they sell you, not really on the price of a new car, especialy the little ones under Chf 50k

Thanks for the post, but I'm looking for some concrete numbers on dealer invoice prices.

I've seen some posts on wholesale prices, someone getting almost 10k
off a Subaru..etc.

Can anyone give me some more info?


regards
Anwar

It is not that easy here, without inside knowledge. A friend here just negotiated 22% off a new BMW X3 and then had a set of 20" wheels included in the price (disclaimer: he did have a trade in so maybe they belted him on that). I am looking for a new Nissan Navara every dealer here (in 2010 at least) is getting a 14% discount from Nissan which if you haggle they will give you but you need to get past 14% to actually get a genuine discount off the hidden reduced price. The best deal I missed last year was 22.3% off list price on avehicle with quite a few options which have a lot of margin built into them. The Euro vs Chf has devalued about 20% in the last couple of years, so dealers ARE getting new cars 20% cheaper, but trying to get a dealer to pass this discount on is nearly impossible. Good luck but even all the information in the world, it won't help you here to get a cheap car. Just buy it in Germany, you will get it cheaper but a lot of hassles (3 weeks waiting list for an inspection so you can get number plates ect), it depends how much time you have on your hands and if that time is worth very little then it is a no brainer.

As said by somebody else, it is one thing having this information (which, by the way, I suspect you won't find on here) and quite another using it. Are you going to get into a long debate with the dealer about what you consider to be an acceptable margin?

The only way I've found to get substantial discounts is through being a good customer with a decent relationship with my dealership. For example, I got over CHF 60,000 discount on a car this way.

Often also, if the car is from the EU there may be some margin on the exchange rate, if the dealer is invoiced in EUR by the manufacturer. This has helped me to get a better deal with the strong CHF, since the official price lists have some buffer.

Walking in off the street armed with facts and figures - good luck.

but that 60k was a pityful % discount

Not true, my colleague had his MFK appointment for his DE import this Monday which he called and scheduled the prior Wednesday. That's a wait of three business days.

Saved several thousand CHF's...is your time worth more than that? I would think most people's calculated hourly rate would not come near for the extra 8-12 hours.

Hmmm, actually just realised you're right. Ok, how about the 100 big ones off the 16M?

didn't they make you pay for the t-shirt for your expensive car?

So when you come to sell it, you'll be knocking a similar amount off the market value...

I hope he sticks it up on here lol that would be a really fun thread

Make me an offer, snowman!

That is good news I spoke to the Strassvehrkasen yesterday and was told there is a 3 week waiting list in Zurich. I am ordering a new car from Germany tommorow so if there is any fun bits I will keep you all informed.

Check with Winterthur, that's where he took his.

That might be a good idea as I was told the inspection can not be done at Hinwill, only Zurich or Winterthur.

Regarding the original thread title;

I relocate to ZH next week and plan to rent a vehicle for the first few months before looking to buy a new (or newish) RR sport, or 4x4 equiv. Figure if your going to "Do" Europe you may as well see it in comfort - all 12 months of the year!

Ideally cash purchase but I understand that there may be tax benefits for lease or loan against said new car.

Any tips / advice most welcome.

Ta

M