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Old 25.01.2011, 18:26
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Map updates are possible with a wifi connection.
That's perfectly fine for the current stage but will hardly be good enough once (if ever) it goes into mass production. Have you thought about that?
I don't have have wifi in my garage.
Or are you planning to set up a network of hotspots to connect to, e.g. at gas stations?

And BTW I'm still wondering where you plan to get accurate and up-to-date map data from.

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Our tailgating prevention is only to get a larger gap between two cars.
Are you planning on using something else besides GPS (e.g. radar or some type of wireless car to car connection)? I have some trouble imagining how that's supposed to work based on GPS only.
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Old 25.01.2011, 19:39
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Thank you.

A System who consider the weather, yes ok, but we would like to ban speeders (Schönenwerd process, you know?). And there the reason isn't the weather.

When the system considers the weather, tailgating and all the points on this thread, you have a car where you can sit inside, push a button and then steer to your destination without a gas pedal or gears. No, no one wants that.......
So from a business and cost effective angle, why would I not just fit a proven technology such as speed restriction in trucks? Cheaper easier to apply, and well available?
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Old 25.01.2011, 19:45
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Anyone considered from a legal angle if this system fails whilst in use.

That would leave you SETOMAT guys open to a legal challenge and in a very difficult situation. Probably one reason why this hasn't been done before.

Go ahead develop the system but make sure that the legal situation is sorted.

Any lawyer working for an insurance company would rip you to pieces if this made production and was found to be at fault for an accident or it did not deliver exactly what was specified.

Additionally the insurance company probably has virtually unlimited funds to fight court battles
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Old 25.01.2011, 19:47
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you have a car where you can sit inside, push a button and then steer to your destination without a gas pedal or gears. No, no one wants that.......
Once all the autonomy and fun has been taken out of driving, then I think I probably would prefer it that way. At least, once the boredom makes me snooze, I'm not going to kill anyone.
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Old 25.01.2011, 20:14
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Thank you.
When the system considers the weather, tailgating and all the points on this thread, you have a car where you can sit inside, push a button and then steer to your destination without a gas pedal or gears. No, no one wants that.......
You are right.. they want one that does everything.
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Thank you.

A System who consider the weather, yes ok, but we would like to ban speeders (Schönenwerd process, you know?). And there the reason isn't the weather.
You don't seem to be hearing the arguments which have been repeated over and over. It's not the speed which kills. If it was, half of Germany would be dead by now. It's inappropriate speed which is dangerous, and the device you're working on does not address that.
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Old 25.01.2011, 20:30
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So in short: I think the whole thing is a nice showcase but utterly pointless and it will prove impossible to market it.
I wish you were right, but never underestimate the Swiss' obsession with speeders ("Raser"). Judging by the sensationalist media reports and the related political activism it is considered about the second-worst possible crime, right after molesting a child, but far worse than murder or robbery.
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Old 25.01.2011, 21:10
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My Friend Says that the folk doing this should continue with it, because along the way they're learning about the dangers of scope creep, the addressing of mutually-incompatible mandatory requirements, how often the marketing department gets it horribly wrong and the sales department is selling something completely different to what's being built, and lots more good stuff like that.

And they might also end up as confident exponents of various types of pans, cans, lans and wans, navigation systems satellite and land-based, telemetry of all sorts and all sorts of other goodies that are still in the pipeline and aren't much in the public eye yet.

Or they might find cars a bit too pedestrian, and go work for Contraves, or Logica or EADS or BAE or practically any aerospace company they choose.

In 10 years time, they might be the guys that developed the Cat3 zero height & zero-visibilty autolander system that's about to put your and a couple of hundred fellow travellers @rses safely on the runway.

They certainly understand the important role that technology demonstrators play, which some of the contributing EF critics here clearly don't.

Anyway, that's what My Friend Says.
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Old 26.01.2011, 12:48
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Re: Speed Control (Setomat)

There is probably a small market for having the devices fitted as a punishment by the courts for persistent speeders/racers...
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Old 26.01.2011, 13:00
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A System who consider the weather, yes ok, but we would like to ban speeders (Schönenwerd process, you know?). And there the reason isn't the weather.
Yes, I am aware of the Schoenenwerd case. No, the reason wasn't the weather. The reason was a gang of kids who did not speed a little. They wanted to have a street race. They have plenty of criminal energy and most of them were caught later again driving without a license in borrowed/stolen cars. There is no way you can control or stop people who are determined to have an illegal race - you can try police force and arrest them, but even that is more a temporary fix than a solution. Unless you equip each and every car with your device - which you admit yourself is not going to happen...

I tried to give honest feedback that most accidents are not caused by breaking the speed limit of a street, but breaking the acceptable speed for a bad driving condition.

All in all: This website is not the average online forum where some teenagers discuss what driving a car is possibly like. You got a ton of valuable feedback from middle aged peole owning cars and having a lot of experience driving them. Some here even know a thing or two about motorsports... The type of people that actually buys cars and can afford extras. You can take the feedback or leave it, but please spare us some bullshit arguments to brush it away.
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