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for our uk car the swiss took the plates and all the uk docs and sent them back to the uk
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Ref paying the MWST and claiming it back or buying netto - in my experience, it depends but I don't know if there is a rule or not.

I've just ordered a new VW, the dealer made a copy of my B Permit and I will pay the net price excluding MWST.

On the other hand, was talking to a dealer for a horse trailer yesterday and they will only quote me net if I have a registered MWST number (i.e. from a company). They will however, give me an Ausfurhschein with which to claim back VAT once it's been exported and stamped up at the border.

The difference is that the car dealer will ship it to the nearest Zoll, arrange all the paperwork and just leave me to pay the Swiss import/MWST. Perhaps that's how they can and are allowed to make an exception and not charge MWST.

Or it might just depend on the dealers knowledge of the MWST regime - what is/isn't possible and willingness to satisfy the needs of export clients...perhaps someone else knows the letter of the law.

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Could you please name the Dealer in germany, where you bought your VW? I am thinking of buying one.
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Re: Importing cars into Switzerland: info on import duties

fwiw, we got the bill today for the MOT (I can never remember the Swiss name for it, where they check brakes and lights etc) and for our Agila it was 240 CHF as opposed to the 80 CHF that everyone else seems to pay.

We were told it would be 80 before the whole process started.

When the SO enquired, it was because it's a) second hand and b) "exotic".

Basically what this meant was that the guy had to fill out 2 whole forms of yellow paper!

So keep that in mind. Also, they don't have a clue about their own regulations. They seemed to be unaware that you don't have to pay import at customs if the car is over 3 years old or you've had it registered in your name for more than 6 months.

I have to say, this particular organisation has been the most "English" thing I've seen in Switzerland so far. Disappointing.

@ Meps - the SO kept her plates. They just sent a note with the documents to the DVLA informing them of this.
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Could you please name the Dealer in germany, where you bought your VW? I am thinking of buying one.
It's a re-importer specialising in VW group cars. They pre-order cars for stock and also place custom orders, all through VW dealers outside of Germany (e.g. Benelux and Denmark).

Why? Those markets have lower local prices due to economy and VAT regimes, hence the savings compared to DE. I did the same thing back in 2000, importing an MX5 from Denmark to the UK - Denmark has a very high luxury tax on some cars, so the manufacturer keeps the pre-vat price low to make their cars more affordable. Ordering from an official dealer in Denmark and importing it to the UK meant I paid the very low ex-Danish-VAT price and eventually saved ~25% of UK list, had it serviced through Mazda UK dealers plus two warranty claims with no problems.

These firms now provide a similar service. You need to be careful though - I would not recommend using middle men who merely pass on your order and handle the paperwork for import. If something goes wrong, your contract is with the original Dealer who may be in Denmark for example. I would prefer to use firms in DE who will place the order themselves; your contract is with them and any comeback or remediation would be easier IMO (distances, language etc).

Anyway, you're effectively saving more than is possible through a DE VW dealer offering discount. But you are getting the same product from an EU VW dealer as you would in DE or even CH (based on the T5 specs anyway). The log-book will be stamped up as being supplied by the originating dealer (e.g. in Denmark) and you'll get the EU-wide warranty honoured here in CH. For for VW, this is 2 years EU as opposed to VW CH which offer 3 but you can buy additional years from VW CH.

FYI, 2 weeks ago, VW AMAG in CH offered me CHF16,000 (20%) discount off a new T5 (8K off list and 8k towards options). I considered that pretty good, but even so, it is still CHF10,000 more than I'm paying in DE and I didn't have to wait 3-4 months for it to be built.

So, your savings may vary based on how expensive a car you're after - it's possible that you can strike a very good deal with AMAG as the CHF is still strong against the EUR. Perhaps it's good enough to take the 'hassle' away from importing from Germany?

The firm I used was recommended by people on a German VW T5 forum who have purchased through them. I did some more reading, visited them, checked out the stock and ordered one that they had pre-ordered for stock - it is being delivered in a few weeks. But you can make a new, custom order through them if you have specific requirements (they have an online configurator where you can check the total cost compared to VW). I have also ordered winter tyres and wheels through them.

It costs ~300EUR to have them ship it to the Zoll at Kreuzlingen, all the paperwork done, DE export plates and 4 weeks 3rd party insurance (though I will get Zurich to provide Vollkasko based on the VIN). You then fork out the CH import and VAT at the Zoll, get some new forms, schedule an Abgas Certifcate test and then take it for inspection/registration at your friendly Strassenverkehrsamt.

I am going to write up my experience and tips after I've completed it, but that gives you a pretty good idea. There are other companies and individuals offering the same service, but this one checked out so far as is possible and was closest to CH.

The firm is Automarkt Dinser. If you call, ask for a Herr Geigel as he speaks more English than others and please mention that 'Stuart Carter' recommended him (I should get something for writing all this up )...

For all you would want to know about EU Import (not necessarily re-import as there is essentialy no difference in the process), check here where a Schwiezer has documented his experience - should you want to do it yourself through a regular VW/other dealer. Yes it has been covered in posts on this forum, but there is a nice chart there as well!
http://www.eu-auto-import.com/

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^^^^^^^^^^posts like these^^^^^^^^^^

are what EF is about. Thanks to Stew for the detail and follow-up.
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They seemed to be unaware that you don't have to pay import at customs if the car is over 3 years old or you've had it registered in your name for more than 6 months.
Where did you here the 3 years thing, it's totally untrue.

The six months is, registered in your name for at least six months before the date you move here, not import the car.

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Where did you here the 3 years thing, it's totally untrue.

The six months is, registered in your name for at least six months before the date you move here, not import the car.

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That's what customs told the SO before we moved.

The second part you are correct about, I messed up the wording.
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Re: Importing cars into Switzerland: info on import duties

most information on importing car here is about the documents and the duties, etc. but is there a limit on the importing?

can a private person import more than one car per year? are there any laws regarding that?
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It's a re-importer specialising in VW group cars. They pre-order cars for stock and also place custom orders, all through VW dealers outside of Germany (e.g. Benelux and Denmark).

Why? Those markets have lower local prices due to economy and VAT regimes, hence the savings compared to DE. I did the same thing back in 2000, importing an MX5 from Denmark to the UK - Denmark has a very high luxury tax on some cars, so the manufacturer keeps the pre-vat price low to make their cars more affordable. Ordering from an official dealer in Denmark and importing it to the UK meant I paid the very low ex-Danish-VAT price and eventually saved ~25% of UK list, had it serviced through Mazda UK dealers plus two warranty claims with no problems.

These firms now provide a similar service. You need to be careful though - I would not recommend using middle men who merely pass on your order and handle the paperwork for import. If something goes wrong, your contract is with the original Dealer who may be in Denmark for example. I would prefer to use firms in DE who will place the order themselves; your contract is with them and any comeback or remediation would be easier IMO (distances, language etc).

Anyway, you're effectively saving more than is possible through a DE VW dealer offering discount. But you are getting the same product from an EU VW dealer as you would in DE or even CH (based on the T5 specs anyway). The log-book will be stamped up as being supplied by the originating dealer (e.g. in Denmark) and you'll get the EU-wide warranty honoured here in CH. For for VW, this is 2 years EU as opposed to VW CH which offer 3 but you can buy additional years from VW CH.

FYI, 2 weeks ago, VW AMAG in CH offered me CHF16,000 (20%) discount off a new T5 (8K off list and 8k towards options). I considered that pretty good, but even so, it is still CHF10,000 more than I'm paying in DE and I didn't have to wait 3-4 months for it to be built.

So, your savings may vary based on how expensive a car you're after - it's possible that you can strike a very good deal with AMAG as the CHF is still strong against the EUR. Perhaps it's good enough to take the 'hassle' away from importing from Germany?

The firm I used was recommended by people on a German VW T5 forum who have purchased through them. I did some more reading, visited them, checked out the stock and ordered one that they had pre-ordered for stock - it is being delivered in a few weeks. But you can make a new, custom order through them if you have specific requirements (they have an online configurator where you can check the total cost compared to VW). I have also ordered winter tyres and wheels through them.

It costs ~300EUR to have them ship it to the Zoll at Kreuzlingen, all the paperwork done, DE export plates and 4 weeks 3rd party insurance (though I will get Zurich to provide Vollkasko based on the VIN). You then fork out the CH import and VAT at the Zoll, get some new forms, schedule an Abgas Certifcate test and then take it for inspection/registration at your friendly Strassenverkehrsamt.

I am going to write up my experience and tips after I've completed it, but that gives you a pretty good idea. There are other companies and individuals offering the same service, but this one checked out so far as is possible and was closest to CH.

The firm is Automarkt Dinser. If you call, ask for a Herr Geigel as he speaks more English than others and please mention that 'Stuart Carter' recommended him (I should get something for writing all this up )...

For all you would want to know about EU Import (not necessarily re-import as there is essentialy no difference in the process), check here where a Schwiezer has documented his experience - should you want to do it yourself through a regular VW/other dealer. Yes it has been covered in posts on this forum, but there is a nice chart there as well!
http://www.eu-auto-import.com/

Regards,
Stu
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It's like for some threads the thanking or groaning option has been removed and all I can do is use the quote button. It's strange.

Moving on, so would it be too pricey to import a heavy pre 70's car?

And what about cars that are not running and need a total restoration?
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Maybe, but the guy after me thanked me, and I just to you. Or what you mean to say is the post and not the thread...OK. But why is that? Too afraid historians from the next Millenia will look over the EF, with a different world view and find Dougals Breakfast not to be humorous, and give him a flurry of groans that will change his status, for future generations to come?
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for our uk car the swiss took the plates and all the uk docs and sent them back to the uk
I changed my plates to Swiss ones in early September, but a few days ago I received a new invoice for Dutch road tax
I called to the Dutch tax office and they said that registration for my car is not cancelled yet! I have to send them copies of new Swiss registration papers plus a letter asking them to deregister my car, and only after that they will stop charging me for road tax.
My car is being double-taxed for more than 2 months...
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most information on importing car here is about the documents and the duties, etc. but is there a limit on the importing?

can a private person import more than one car per year? are there any laws regarding that?
Hey everyone,

its been a while and it looks like ill be coming back to CH from Dubai in the next year.

As you can imagine its attractive to take cars back with me and my question is exactly that - how many cars can you import as part of your household items (of course ensuring ownership over 6 months)? Does it depend on family size? Anybody any experience?

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Be careful. If you're importing car that comes with either a European Certificate of Conformity (eg, originally purchased in the EU marketplace) or one that has US EPA certification (eg, originally purchased in the US), there are regulations in place that make the importation of cars reasonably straight-forward.

Importing cars designed for RoW (rest-of-world) is trickier because the cars are not afforded the same right to easy importation. The standards in these parts of the world are not regarded as being equivalent to those in Switzerland. In the Middle East, for example, cars are often not fitted with the same level of emissions control equipment as elsewhere.

Importing cars from these regions may prove to be a false economy -- they'll certainly be more expensive to test and certify (~CHF 3'000 for pollution + noise testing, for example), and there is a good chance that significant modifications will need to be made to the cars to conform to European norms.
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Re: Importing cars into Switzerland: info on import duties

If anyone is looking for a new Volvo, I highly recommend buying from Volvo directly via a UK dealer that caters to expats. They have this expat programme where you don' t pay VAT at all (except Swiss Vat of course). You save a lot of money and the whole process is ridiculously simple, from ordering to Swiss plates. I still can't believe how easy it was.
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Re: Importing cars into Switzerland: info on import duties

Thanks for that info, I was aware of it and therefore will only bring back German cars, produced in Germany for the Gulf states. However, still some minor modifications will have be done when reimported into the EU.

Any ideas on the quantity of cars you can import as part of your household?

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Re: Importing cars into Switzerland: info on import duties

Hi Stuart,

As far as I'm informed, there is no set amount as such as they make up your personal possessions unless it got to a stage where it was clear you were bringing them into sell.

They will however make up part of your estate and as such contribute to wealth tax if and as applicable.

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Re: Importing cars into Switzerland: info on import duties

I have one question that I haven't really understood.

I've been in Switzerland for 2 years now, if I want to import a car I will have to pay the import duties.

Reading on the forum, I see that to import a car duty free in the first year during your stay in Switzerland the car must be in your possession for at least 6 months prior your arrival in Switzerland.

Is there a case of duty free import if I own the vehicle for more than 6 months in my case? Or I will have to pay the import duties?
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