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no, Mr Hedgehog, that doesn't include you, you're just a buffoon)
Is that correct? It wasn't me who has spunked 300K swisses up the wall on the wrong car ....
I would have thought someone as successful as you would be able to make decision and ask for advice from the correct sources TBH ....
But obviously not ...

I'll see you on the passes ...
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Is that correct? It wasn't me who has spunked 300K swisses up the wall on the wrong car ....
I would have thought someone as successful as you would be able to make decision and ask for advice from the correct sources TBH ....
But obviously not ...

I'll see you on the passes ...
Don't be an idiot. You know nothing about the circumstances surrounding my change of heart on my car.

What's the purpose of this forum if not to ask if anybody out there has experience that might be useful. There's plenty of people in Switzerland who don't have your evident chip on their shoulder who could afford these cars and much more. Lots of hedgies in Zug, for example. I'm getting advice on Monday but apparently I'm not allowed to ask on here because it isn't the "correct source". Why take that view just because I'm talking about 500k cars (get your facts right)? What's your cutoff? Why did you even bother to respond, clearly you have nothing relevant to add. Pointless.

Where did I ever come on here saying how successful I am? For all you know I won the lottery or had an inheritance. Why the so-called "wit" in your original response to my question? I think it's pretty clear really.
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Old 20.02.2011, 20:06
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WTF, thread moved.
I give up.
Haven't people got lives to lead.
Why isn't this relevant to the transport forum?
Well I suspect the reasoning behind moving the thread from transport to general off topic is that contractual problems related to buying a supercar is not really relevent to the transport section (I didn't move the thread by the way). The transport section is about general day to day transport - trams, trains, buses, daily drivers etc - stuff that gets you from A to B in general.

Also remember that on this forum there will be very very few people that have been in your particular situation, so it is almost certain that you'll get better advice from elsewhere. Nonetheless nobody is stopping you from asking, and off topic would be the best choice for this.

Anyway I wish you good luck with whatever purchase you make.
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Sure, no problem, probably when the snows melt on the passes.
R32 pilot in Zug here also up for a drive day up through the passes if you don't mind a tagalong.

Actually have to get new rubber when I switch the winter tyres out; apparently I've worn them out.

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Well I suspect the reasoning behind moving the thread from transport to general off topic is that contractual problems related to buying a supercar is not really relevent to the transport section (I didn't move the thread by the way).
Contractual problems are highly dependent on jurisdiction, and the OP is in Switzerland. This is apparently a forum about Swiss matters, and it's about a means of transport. So it makes sense to leave it in the transport section. I don't see what the harm is.

And the fact that it's a very expensive car is irrelevant. Why shouldn't the OP be allowed to ask? If nobody knows, it will end up in the pile of dead threads.
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Contractual problems are highly dependent on jurisdiction, and the OP is in Switzerland. This is apparently a forum about Swiss matters, and it's about a means of transport. So it makes sense to leave it in the transport section. I don't see what the harm is.

And the fact that it's a very expensive car is irrelevant. Why shouldn't the OP be allowed to ask? If nobody knows, it will end up in the pile of dead threads.
Indeed. The forum strapline says "...buying cars, anything transport related".

There have been threads where somebody bought a car from a garage, had problems, asked for advice about redress. But I think that wasn't a Lamborghini, so it wasn't moved to the back end of the forum. Mysteriously.
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Old 21.02.2011, 09:06
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What's the purpose of this forum if not to ask if anybody out there has experience that might be useful. There's plenty of people in Switzerland who don't have your evident chip on their shoulder who could afford these cars and much more. Lots of hedgies in Zug, for example.
Actually, I don't have any chip on my shoulder . Your car , your money. I never said it wasn't. I couldn't care how you spend you money. It's your money
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I'm getting advice on Monday but apparently I'm not allowed to ask on here because it isn't the "correct source". Why take that view just because I'm talking about 500k cars (get your facts right)? What's your cutoff? Why did you even bother to respond, clearly you have nothing relevant to add. Pointless.
Pardon me for not being a "hedgie" .... you're allowed to ask what you want. It's a public forum, so people can also respond how they want. Tis the way it works. I responded because I seriously doubted on a forum where everyone is concerned about living on 120k in CHF, that anyone would be able to answer it. You also got the snots about having your thread moved, How dare proles do such a thing!

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Where did I ever come on here saying how successful I am? For all you know I won the lottery or had an inheritance.
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Calling you successful wasn't an insult - was it?
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Re: Has anybody ever sold an order for a car?

So back on topic......
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I responded because I seriously doubted on a forum where everyone is concerned about living on 120k in CHF, that anyone would be able to answer it.
I thought it was actually refreshing.
;-)
One's own problems (living off 120k) seem so insignificant in contrast to real problems other people have...
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Old 21.02.2011, 11:50
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I thought it was actually refreshing.
;-)
One's own problems (living off 120k) seem so insignificant in contrast to real problems other people have...


I thought I would try and be helpful - these might be able to help
http://www.lamborghini-talk.com/
http://www.lambopit.com/forum/
http://www.carpassion.com/lamborghini/
http://www.lambocars.com/forums.htm
http://www.ferrarilife.com/forums/
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/
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Old 21.02.2011, 11:57
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Re: Has anybody ever sold an order for a car?

Why dont you trade in yr contract against the GTO? incidentally, i wish they hadnt called that car a GTO, and the FF stands for fat and fourty cos only those peeps would buy an estate ferrari. Lastly, you can expect to see stop start tech on the latest cars which should slow down the cafe heros - silly way to get past the emissions laws.
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Old 21.02.2011, 12:24
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Well I suspect the reasoning behind moving the thread from transport to general off topic is that contractual problems related to buying a supercar is not really relevent to the transport section (I didn't move the thread by the way). The transport section is about general day to day transport - trams, trains, buses, daily drivers etc - stuff that gets you from A to B in general.

Also remember that on this forum there will be very very few people that have been in your particular situation, so it is almost certain that you'll get better advice from elsewhere. Nonetheless nobody is stopping you from asking, and off topic would be the best choice for this.

Anyway I wish you good luck with whatever purchase you make.
I know of a few people here in Switzerland who have ordered cars with a long lead-time and then changed their mind.

The one I know who did this most recently thought that when he actually got the first car, he'd be happy with it and so stuck with it even though he had changed his mind.. He found he wasn't happy with it and so sold it on after a few months and bought the one he decided he wanted after ordering the first.
I believe he had trouble cancelling the order.

This thread isn't about supercars and to be fair to the OP, he didn't actually mention which car until prompted to by someone else.

IMO it belongs in transport and is a lot more relevant than some of the other junk in there which actually ought to be in a petrol-head forum.
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I have an order in on a car, new to market, will be unveiled at Geneva next month, I'm sure it will be to rave reviews etc but I've been tempted to buy something else instead. I could just take delivery of the first car and sell it on, probably for a small profit, but I'd rather pass the order on at cost and avoid the hassle of taking delivery.
Has anybody ever done this, sold an order for a car that will have long waiting lists (I'm getting the first customer car in Switzerland) rather than selling the car itself? What's involved?
The dealer is reluctant to simply cancel the order because he doesn't want to run the risk of losing me as a customer so he is offering to defer my order.
Thanks for any helpful experiences.
I haven't done it but under my understanding of Swiss law I don't think that it should be a problem, especially as both you and the seller agree, but I don't know the specifics of the contract you have. In general under Swiss law an assignment is legal as long as the assignment agreement is written and isn’t forbidden by law (usually employment or rent issues), contract (you said there was nothing in the contract) or the nature of the legal relationship. It is covered in articles 164-183 of the Swiss Code of Obligations: http://www.admin.ch/ch/e/rs/220/indexni2.html.


I'd be interested to hear how it works out.
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Old 21.02.2011, 13:33
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Re: Has anybody ever sold an order for a car?

I'm interested in hearing how it goes as well ...

For a while one of my uncles used to make money buying and selling positions on wait-lists like this, mostly in Australia but some in Europe, so in general it is legal to do so ... unless my uncle was being dodgy ...
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I haven't done it but under my understanding of Swiss law I don't think that it should be a problem, especially as both you and the seller agree, but I don't know the specifics of the contract you have. In general under Swiss law an assignment is legal as long as the assignment agreement is written and isn’t forbidden by law (usually employment or rent issues), contract (you said there was nothing in the contract) or the nature of the legal relationship. It is covered in articles 164-183 of the Swiss Code of Obligations: http://www.admin.ch/ch/e/rs/220/indexni2.html.


I'd be interested to hear how it works out.
Thank you, most helpful. Will update when I know more
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R32 pilot in Zug here also up for a drive day up through the passes if you don't mind a tagalong.

Grant
Sounds good to me. I think there are rules about organised convoys (?) but I think we like going at similar times anyway don't we?
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Why dont you trade in yr contract against the GTO? incidentally, i wish they hadnt called that car a GTO, and the FF stands for fat and fourty cos only those peeps would buy an estate ferrari. Lastly, you can expect to see stop start tech on the latest cars which should slow down the cafe heros - silly way to get past the emissions laws.
The 250 was a true homologation and very special. The 288 ok was built to group B regs but never raced, so how different is it in reality from the 599 GTO which is a road 599 XX. The only differences are: (a) the passage of time, and (b) the 288 complied with a series rule book.

I think Ferrari are being serious about this car, it is being supplied with full Classiche documentation.

Proper journalists, who can drive (ie not Clarkson), people like Chris Harris, Sutcliffe, and also somebody like Jason Plato, all say it fully deserves the badge.

Who can say? It is just very special all the same IMO.

The FF is a "marmite" design I think
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Old 21.02.2011, 14:26
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Re: Has anybody ever sold an order for a car?

I'm waiting for the new Pagani.

In the meantime I'm trying to decide whether to but a Hilux or a Nissan Patrol.

And then also a twin-axle trailer.

Or to try and import by Merc Sprinter!
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