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Old 21.02.2011, 17:36
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The 250 was a true homologation and very special. The 288 ok was built to group B regs but never raced, so how different is it in reality from the 599 GTO which is a road 599 XX. The only differences are: (a) the passage of time, and (b) the 288 complied with a series rule book.

I think Ferrari are being serious about this car, it is being supplied with full Classiche documentation.

Proper journalists, who can drive (ie not Clarkson), people like Chris Harris, Sutcliffe, and also somebody like Jason Plato, all say it fully deserves the badge.

Who can say? It is just very special all the same .
You may well be right, i suppose only a lucky few will be able to judge that. On the question of future development though , the means of adjusting or aligning to emissions controls is bringing some real concern by the ustilisation of stop start technology, and thats equally a question for BMW etc. After all why does someone buy a V8 ferrari two seater if its not to drive in town and be seen. In my view, and its clearly a personal choice, the V12s such as the 612 are the real car and its a shame that the FF is the supposed replacement.

Im surprised at the choice of design for the FF but then if you look at the Alfa breed you will see some similarity. If you spend north of 400k on a car you want individual design , not the AMG version

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Old 26.02.2011, 18:31
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Well I suspect the reasoning behind moving the thread from transport to general off topic is that contractual problems related to buying a supercar is not really relevent to the transport section (I didn't move the thread by the way). The transport section is about general day to day transport - trams, trains, buses, daily drivers etc - stuff that gets you from A to B in general.

Also remember that on this forum there will be very very few people that have been in your particular situation, so it is almost certain that you'll get better advice from elsewhere. Nonetheless nobody is stopping you from asking, and off topic would be the best choice for this.

Anyway I wish you good luck with whatever purchase you make.
Appreciate Slaphead's comments. But would the moderator who moved the thread please comment as it would be nice to get some guidance. I totally agree with the other comments that the transport section contains tons of other threads about importing, buying and selling cars. And if they don't belong in the transport section, then where. Surely that is part of life in Switzerland.

I hope I am wrong, but I have a feeling that if this had been about how to get out of a mobility contract or whether it is possible to cancel the order on a Prius, then it would not have been moved. Please tell me I am wrong!?!
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Re: Has anybody ever sold an order for a car?

Jako, interesting observation. I asked the moderator who moved the thread but he didn't pay me the simple courtesy of a reply. I only asked because the PM I received when I was notified about the thread being moved did not explain why.
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Re: Has anybody ever sold an order for a car?

Update as I promised a couple of people to let them know how it turned out.

The contract did include a penalty clause but that was qualified by requiring the dealer to be able to prove his loss. It is a bit of a grey area, but in my case since the car doesn't yet have a build slot, and has opened to people waving chequebooks at it in Geneva, there isn't any credible argument the dealer can make about the penalty.

On the less legalistic side, I've bought 5 other Lambos from him since 2007 and he has taken what I believe is a laudable view and refunded my deposit. He has acted very fairly.

I've placed the order for the GTO and am going to Maranello in the next few weeks to see it being built, drive one (for the first time) round Fiorano, and take delivery in April

Thanks for your inputs.
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Old 04.03.2011, 13:13
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Re: Has anybody ever sold an order for a car?

Nice thread... It puzzles me though why it doesn't belong to transportation section
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Sweet. Glad you got it sorted. enjoy the trip
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Old 04.03.2011, 13:41
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Update as I promised a couple of people to let them know how it turned out.

The contract did include a penalty clause but that was qualified by requiring the dealer to be able to prove his loss. It is a bit of a grey area, but in my case since the car doesn't yet have a build slot, and has opened to people waving chequebooks at it in Geneva, there isn't any credible argument the dealer can make about the penalty.

On the less legalistic side, I've bought 5 other Lambos from him since 2007 and he has taken what I believe is a laudable view and refunded my deposit. He has acted very fairly.

I've placed the order for the GTO and am going to Maranello in the next few weeks to see it being built, drive one (for the first time) round Fiorano, and take delivery in April

Thanks for your inputs.
good. he'd have to be an idiot to piss off a customer that bought 5 expensive cars off him already...
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Old 04.03.2011, 14:18
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Re: Has anybody ever sold an order for a car?

I am also puzzled why a Mod thinks that this would belong in off-topic. It's about selling an order for a car. The description for the Transportation Driving section is "Public transport issues, driver's license questions, buying cars, anything transport related".

OK you might say a Lambo. is not for all and not relevant maybe to the majority of forum users. But neither are a lot of very specific questions about people's own situations etc. The principle is not that all threads in a section should be relevant for a certain percentage of the users, otherwise then there would have been an awful lot more thread moving going on.

There is a thread about cheap cars in Transport / driving The Great Cheap Car Experiment No.5
So we allow cheap cars but don't like members discussing expensive cars? Is this now EnglishSocialistForum.ch?

I think the mod(s) should either explain why, or just move it back, as a matter of principle.

I can't afford a Lambo either but am more in the school who thinks "One day I hope I'll be able to afford a car like that" rather than "Rich bas**** ".
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Old 04.03.2011, 14:22
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Re: Has anybody ever sold an order for a car?

I'm positive if the make of car hadn't been posted then the mod who moved it and deleted all posts about it, would have left it alone. jealousy is a wonderful thing.
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There is a thread about cheap cars in Transport / driving The Great Cheap Car Experiment No.5
So we allow cheap cars but don't like members discussing expensive cars? Is this now EnglishSocialistForum.ch?
I have already posted about this particular disparity in Forum support.
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Update as I promised a couple of people to let them know how it turned out.

The contract did include a penalty clause but that was qualified by requiring the dealer to be able to prove his loss. It is a bit of a grey area, but in my case since the car doesn't yet have a build slot, and has opened to people waving chequebooks at it in Geneva, there isn't any credible argument the dealer can make about the penalty.

On the less legalistic side, I've bought 5 other Lambos from him since 2007 and he has taken what I believe is a laudable view and refunded my deposit. He has acted very fairly.

I've placed the order for the GTO and am going to Maranello in the next few weeks to see it being built, drive one (for the first time) round Fiorano, and take delivery in April

Thanks for your inputs.
About "am going to Maranello in the next few weeks to see it being built, drive one (for the first time) round Fiorano"

Sounds better than anything I have planned for the next few weeks
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Re: Has anybody ever sold an order for a car?

Goodness, there's a bit of snobbery. I'm pretty sure the despicable mod who clearly wasted his time interfering is not remotely interested as to the make of car. He was simply trying to put something he thought was better suited elsewhere. Whether he feels the need to justify himself or not may be better discovered by asking directly. If he doesn't reply, perhaps allow him the chance. I alone get way too many PMs demanding my time for oftentimes futile pursuits. Sometimes things just slip. But don't let bitterness get in the way of a good gripe.

Glad to hear the OPs contract issue is resolved. It's appreciated when people take the time to give feedback.
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I asked the moderator who moved the thread but he didn't pay me the simple courtesy of a reply. I only asked because the PM I received when I was notified about the thread being moved did not explain why.
To set the record straight I never actually saw your inquiry as to why your thread was moved. The reason being was the fact that you wrote your question inside of the quoted text that you had sent to me. It appears as though you had simply returned the automated PM announcement without actually replying. Members sometimes do this as a protest when they are unhappy about a Mod action.

Here is the PM exactly as I had received it from you. You'll see that your reply is buried inside of the quoted reply you sent me:

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The following thread that you created has been moved by vwild1

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Why was this moved?
Original Forum: Transportation/driving
New Forum: General off-topic
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Threads on the English Forum are carefully grouped into logical areas. This makes it easy for people to locate relevant information. By taking the time to ensure that your threads are posted in the correct areas you help to save the valuable time of our moderators who perform their duties as volunteers.

Thank you for your understanding.

This is an automated message, please do not reply.

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Now to answer your question.

The trigger that motivated me to move your thread was a post which I had just deleted prior to moving it:

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Background: I've rented a car in CH for a total of 10 days. I've been fined 3 times, each time for just a few kph over the limit. Those are the only speeding fines I've ever received, so I'm thinking there must be cameras absolutely everywhere?
I quickly scanned over the thread up to that point and determined it was just chit-chat about exotic cars (off topic). Now I've found that some of this thread, since moving it, does relate to living in Switzerland and it's not just general car chat.

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WTF, thread moved.
I give up.
Haven't people got lives to lead.
That's an interesting question with an uninteresting answer.

Yes, unfortunately I do have "a life" to lead but it exists outside of the forum.

Your thread has now been moved back to the transportation/driving forum.
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Old 05.03.2011, 11:42
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Goodness, there's a bit of snobbery. I'm pretty sure the despicable mod who clearly wasted his time interfering is not remotely interested as to the make of car. He was simply trying to put something he thought was better suited elsewhere. Whether he feels the need to justify himself or not may be better discovered by asking directly. If he doesn't reply, perhaps allow him the chance. I alone get way too many PMs demanding my time for oftentimes futile pursuits. Sometimes things just slip. But don't let bitterness get in the way of a good gripe.

Glad to hear the OPs contract issue is resolved. It's appreciated when people take the time to give feedback.
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