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Old 21.03.2011, 08:17
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Re: Importing a somewhat modified car

Here's a trick question: as I understand they take the date of entry in CH stamped into the work permit as the date when the year countdown starts. What if my work permit gets changed in the meantime (e.g. from L to B)? Do I get the original date of entry stamped into the B?
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Old 21.03.2011, 09:36
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Here's a trick question: as I understand they take the date of entry in CH stamped into the work permit as the date when the year countdown starts. What if my work permit gets changed in the meantime (e.g. from L to B)? Do I get the original date of entry stamped into the B?
Regarding residency (work) permit, the date on your first L permit will carry over onto every different permit thereafter. All five of my L permits, and now my B have the original entry date.
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Old 21.03.2011, 10:31
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Nope. No idea where you could have got this idea.
This was what I was told, albeit probably incorrectly at the time. I had owned my car for about 6 months and a week when I brought it across - about a 6 months to a year after i moved here. No duty to be paid, but in hindsight, probably because I had owned the car for 6 months.

This makes me wonder, is there no service in Germany, where you decide you want a car in the next 6 months - 1 year, so you can buy it there, they'll hold on to it for you, and after 6 months, you drive it across the border tax free?
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Had the mechanic visit today. Short story there's no way to import the car, because:

1. You can only make changes that add 25% more power to the car. More than that, you fail.
2. For any change you make, you must have papers from the company that made the change, that's it's compliant with blabla....
not true.... mine is modified and has approx 35% HP extra than standard, it just needs the paperwork, which in my case was not a problem.

the catch is no paperwork is required for power modifications of less than approx 20% BUT you need a paper to say it is less than 20%.

you could do an ASTRA test and they could issue you with a certificate but it is going to be expensive.

for other modifications, brake discs, suspension etc then u will need paperwork
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Old 21.03.2011, 11:43
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Re: Importing a somewhat modified car

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This makes me wonder, is there no service in Germany, where you decide you want a car in the next 6 months - 1 year, so you can buy it there, they'll hold on to it for you, and after 6 months, you drive it across the border tax free?
Even if you could do that to avoid paying the Swiss taxes, you would have to pay the much higher German taxes, so what would be the point?

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True...somewhere with lower car taxes then...i dunno, Isle of Mann (hypothetical, no idea what their tax rates are).
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Even if you could do that to avoid paying the Swiss taxes, you would have to pay the much higher German taxes, so what would be the point?

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If you buy the car second hand in Germany, which is what the OP wants to do, you have to pay the Swiss VAT on the purchase price when importing. You won't get the German VAT back on a second hand car.

New car, yes you will get it back.
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Re: Importing a somewhat modified car

The question you have to ask is are the remapping mods available at a place in Switzerland - if so, you may find that you can get paperwork showing approval from them.

I had a car which went from 185ps to around 230ps and my insurance went up ..... 12 francs per year. I don't recall any paperwork for the remapping (it was an ECU-replace) but the exhaust and wheels did need approval.

I say just keep driving it as is - as long as it's legal in the country of registration.

I assume the Rozzers like stopping you with Romanian plates?
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Old 21.03.2011, 15:09
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I had a car which went from 185ps to around 230ps and my insurance went up ..... 12 francs per year.
parsecs?

Have you done the Kessel Run?
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Old 21.03.2011, 16:59
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Agreed: if you buy a car from a German company with a proper invoice, you can claim the 19% MWSt sales tax back immediately from the company or garage. The garage has to supply you with an exact invoice showing all the cars details, and you the exporting driver's name and address.

You as the driver would then have to declare it at the Swiss border and eventually pay the 8% Swiss sales tax. It is a lot cheaper!
There are also garages in Germany that will do this whole thing for you; you order the car from them @ a fixed price & they deliver it to your Swiss door with MFK test, VAT fixed, &&& etc.
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Old 23.03.2011, 10:08
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If you buy the car second hand in Germany, which is what the OP wants to do, you have to pay the Swiss VAT on the purchase price when importing. You won't get the German VAT back on a second hand car.

New car, yes you will get it back.
I'm not sure this is correct. I think you can get the German VAT back if you're not buying from an individual. A friend of mine bought such a car last year and got it back.
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The question you have to ask is are the remapping mods available at a place in Switzerland - if so, you may find that you can get paperwork showing approval from them.

I had a car which went from 185ps to around 230ps and my insurance went up ..... 12 francs per year. I don't recall any paperwork for the remapping (it was an ECU-replace) but the exhaust and wheels did need approval.

I say just keep driving it as is - as long as it's legal in the country of registration.

I assume the Rozzers like stopping you with Romanian plates?
I've been stopped once in half a year so I guess I could risk it. From what I read the fine is 400chf, which if they stop me say 3 times a year would still be cheaper than the hassle of buying another car
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Old 23.03.2011, 10:39
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I've been stopped once in half a year so I guess I could risk it. From what I read the fine is 400chf, which if they stop me say 3 times a year would still be cheaper than the hassle of buying another car
you recon the fine will stay at 400chf once they have caught you a couple of times ??
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If you buy the car second hand in Germany, which is what the OP wants to do, you have to pay the Swiss VAT on the purchase price when importing. You won't get the German VAT back on a second hand car.
New car, yes you will get it back.
Only if the dealer agrees to this up front. I'd get that confirmation upfront in writing or with witnesses. No dealer has to reimburse VAT for any product imported into Switzerland - they can do so at their discretion.
Exception to the above rule: If the vendor is a partner of one of the VAT refund clearing houses (Global Refund etc.) they have to issue the relevant paperwork to you, but then you only get reimbursed a fraction of the VAT originally paid.

On buying a second hand car: You could get VAT reimbursed if the vendor is in a position to charge you VAT separately - doesn't have to be a car dealer, for example if you are buying the company car off a small business. Many high-end cars are registered as such...
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Re: Importing a somewhat modified car

jmf, my US car passed the test and has CH registration now. It has a non-ECE trailer hook (minus the actual towing ball), cheap Chinese rotors up front with rusty hats, two of four tires lacking EU regulatory markings, non-ECE headlights, an aftermarket battery that's the wrong size (along with a "modified" battery tray to make it fit). It also has body color inside the headlamp assemblies, a no-no in CH.

It still passed on the first go. I paid a dealer to take it for the inspection.

My advice is to find an enthusiastic dealer who is willing to give it a go and fight for you a bit. My dealer said pass/fail was a coin-toss in my case but they were willing to try anyway.
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Old 23.03.2011, 17:45
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jmf, my US car passed the test and has CH registration now. It has a non-ECE trailer hook (minus the actual towing ball), cheap Chinese rotors up front with rusty hats, two of four tires lacking EU regulatory markings, non-ECE headlights, an aftermarket battery that's the wrong size (along with a "modified" battery tray to make it fit). It also has body color inside the headlamp assemblies, a no-no in CH.

It still passed on the first go. I paid a dealer to take it for the inspection.

My advice is to find an enthusiastic dealer who is willing to give it a go and fight for you a bit. My dealer said pass/fail was a coin-toss in my case but they were willing to try anyway.
Yes, I will probably try it when the time comes, though in my case I think I'm a lot more likely to fail, as the car looks quite tame on the outside, but when they look under the bonnet
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you recon the fine will stay at 400chf once they have caught you a couple of times ??
I would hope so. Do they really check on-the-fly if I was caught before? Or can they issue another fine post-factum?

I was also thinking if they stop me I just give them my passport, not the work permit and if they don't ask me if I work here, I just don't tell them
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I would hope so. Do they really check on-the-fly if I was caught before? Or can they issue another fine post-factum?

I was also thinking if they stop me I just give them my passport, not the work permit and if they don't ask me if I work here, I just don't tell them

good luck with that
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Re: Importing a somewhat modified car

Latest idea is that if I take the car out of CH for 3 months then I can drive it again another year in CH. Can anyone confirm this is true? If yes, any idea how the procedure goes: do I have to declare at the border "hey, i'm taking the car out of the country, start the clock" and they give me some paper or what?
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Re: Importing a somewhat modified car

No, the clock ticks from the entry date on your residency permit (that is your entry, not your cars entry). One year after that and you cannot drive a car on foreign plates (some exceptions apply, such as rental cars for short periods etc.).

You might want to push your luck - I've been here almost 3 years and not controlled once, but I wouldn't want to live with the stress of being hit with a an outrageous fine. Even the neighbours here could denunciate you.

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