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Old 20.07.2011, 11:19
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Re: Buying a 2nd hand van.

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This is a SWB one. In the 2nd picture you can see there is no space between the rear wheel and the middle panel. This is a LWB (note the space between the rear wheel and the middle panel in the 3rd picture). Also on the right side for the SWB the sliding door guide goes all the way to the back while in the LWB it comes about 40cm short)

http://www.autoscout24.ch/AS24Web/De...1&page=4&row=1
Thanks for that, should be able to tell the difference now. More I'm reading about the T4, the more inviting it is. Would probably go for SWB with a roof rack for the plasterboard etc.
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Old 20.07.2011, 11:26
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Re: Buying a 2nd hand van.

Most T4's will be SWB, a LWB one for sale will probably say that as it is often seen as a bonus.

The bonus for me with a T4 is, at just under 1.9m tall, I can get into almost all multi-story and underground car parks. I've only come across a couple that have 1.8m limits (such as Jelmoli in Zurich). This claim often perplexes those that tell, mostly Americans, that you shouldn't buy a big car in CH as car parks are not suited for them. I rarely have a problem with the T4 or our Dodge Durango Yank Tank.
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Old 20.07.2011, 16:31
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Re: Buying a 2nd hand van.

Okay, so found this one one. Deciding between this one and the orange one I posted earlier. Both lovely colours.

http://www.autoscout24.ch/AS24Web/De...&page=1&row=14

All looks good. But I have yet another question (I have lost sooo much money on second hand cars in the last few years in the UK I am just trying to limit my chances of doing that again). The last MFK was in Dec 2010, so this was over 6 months ago, but because the van is less than 10 years old I won't be asked to renew the MFK when I register the van in my name? Is this correct?

My only worry about buying a VW is they are a magnet for bad drivers (for me at least). Starting with the only two VW's I ever bought, that I wasn't even driving for more than 6 months, when they were both written off by other folk driving into the back of me. That was the start of me losing ££££ from the last 4 cars I've bought second hand.
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Old 20.07.2011, 18:20
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Re: Buying a 2nd hand van.

It's petrol and an automatic which means it will use more gas than a 70'ies muscle car. Also it's a SWB
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Old 20.07.2011, 20:15
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Re: Buying a 2nd hand van.

The SWB is what I'll go for. In the end, I figure if I'm doing a job that requires more than a few 8x4 boards then I'd have them delivered to the site anyway. Yes, Automatic and petrol, but regarding automatic I'm not too bothered but yes, a diesel would be preferable I guess. I'm used to driving gas guzzlers anyway.
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Old 22.07.2011, 12:27
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No matter what van you are thinking of buying, you will find some people with bad stories (same goes with cars). I had a Merc Vito in London quite a few years ago and it was a pile of cr@p.

I bought an 8 year old VW T4 (1.9 petrol) 22 months ago with 90,000 km's on the clock. After those 22 months it is close to 200,000 and it's been a joy to drive with no major problems. I like them because they don't look like the typical white van man builders van. You may need a LWB one to take 8x4 sheets but I can check in the morning if you like.
How is the fuel consumption on your T4? Has it got enough power when laden? What about cruising speed on the motorway? I've just found a nice 2.0 petrol 2001 T4 and just wandered how you found the 1.9, some folk on VW forums saying it's not powerful enough and less mpg than the 2.5.
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Old 22.07.2011, 12:36
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Re: Buying a 2nd hand van.

I can cruise at 80 with a full load of 1000kg in the back (although I usually drive much slower than that unless I'm in a hurry). I guess I get 25mpg average with my usual part load driving sensibly. Plenty of power to get up the mountain too and only once I struggled to get up in the snow late at night
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Old 22.07.2011, 12:51
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I can cruise at 80 with a full load of 1000kg in the back (although I usually drive much slower than that unless I'm in a hurry). I guess I get 25mpg average with my usual part load driving sensibly. Plenty of power to get up the mountain too and only once I struggled to get up in the snow late at night
That sounds not too bad, glad it's got the power for up the mountains. Going to go and see this one in Biel. Looks like it's in good condition. Will report as to how I get on.
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Old 22.07.2011, 12:56
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Re: Buying a 2nd hand van.

Do people barter over car/van prices here or is it just the price they are asking are final?
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Old 22.07.2011, 13:04
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Re: Buying a 2nd hand van.

We bought our '92 van in Biel too....

Yes, you can barter but don't expect to get much off a s/h van, my wife is an expert at it and she managed to get a few hundred off and had a couple of cosmetic issues sorted
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Old 22.07.2011, 13:06
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Re: Buying a 2nd hand van.

With my limited French I doubt I'll get anything off. My own fault for being a dirty foreigner. Lets hope this Biel T4 is as good as your Biel T4.
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Found an Opel Vivaro on Autoscout. Going to take a trip out to Lausanne and have a look at it this week.

Does anyone have any experience of owning a Vivaro, is there anything I should be looking out for if I take it for a test drive.

Also, it's a 2003 Vivaro and the MFK was done in 03.2011. I'm right in thinking that I wont need to get another MFK until 03.2013?
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I have a friend who bought a 2002 Vivaro and it was a disaster. He had all kinds of engine and electrical faults which in the end were never solved so he ended up selling it after 9 months of problems.

My brother also drives these as his company insists on using Vauxhall/Opel vans. He also had a lot of problems (but worse) on a 2007 Diesel Vivaro. Two engines, 2 turbochargers, 1 ABS pump, 1 gearbox and 2 clutches later his company replaced it with a 2010 Vivaro. (Which is a better model but still has various problems) I believe the main issue with the older Vivaro is that it has a weak turbo charger labyrinth seal which often fails under high engine loads causing the turbo to pump it’s lube oil into the engine inlet manifold. This in turn causes uncontrollable acceleration even if the ignition key is turned off. (Happened to my Brother twice) If this happens and you are unable to stop the engine (apply brakes in 5/6th gear and hope for the best) the engine can end up severely damaged as the engine consumes all of its lube oil until the sump is dry or the engine becomes mechanically damaged due to the over speed of the engine.

As far as I know, it has been well documented that the Vivaro is a poor choice. Plagued with build quality problems, electrical failures and engine failures. My advice would be to avoid them. Also keep in mind that the Nissan Primastar and Renault Traffic are the same vehicle. (A mechanic told me that these are just as bad as the Vauxhall/Opel variant)

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Old 22.07.2011, 17:53
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With my limited French I doubt I'll get anything off. My own fault for being a dirty foreigner. Lets hope this Biel T4 is as good as your Biel T4.
I pretty useless at bartering but my French is good. If you need any help with that I would be willing to go with you (don't know much about vans either). Can't go before Monday though.
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Old 22.07.2011, 18:04
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Re: Buying a 2nd hand van.

what about the iveco daily? i see many hire firms using them and figure they must be pretty reliable, so wondering why more people don't use them?
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Old 24.07.2011, 20:00
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Re: Buying a 2nd hand van.

Sorry for late replies, had my head buried in van websites.

Thanks for the offer Belgianmum, but I somehow seem to manage and it'll only help my French to push myself into these situations. Thanks though, really kind.

The Iveco Daily does seem to get good reviews, but, haven't seen anything that looks like a great deal as yet. I think if you're looking for a smallish 3.5t van these would be a good start.

Went to see the T4, was okay, but a few too many dents and scratches and the seller didn't fill me with confidence, so decided against that one.

Still got two other T4's to look at and maybe a Vivaro (I understand why people are against these vans, but they would be the best buy if you get one that does last, but seems unlikely)

So, now I've been looking at VW T5's. They appear to be very nice vans and have now got my head kind of set on them (never a good idea). I found a brilliant one in the Netherlands, but not sure it would be worth the hassle and money to bring it into Switzerland.

I'm going back to the UK for a few days next week so will give it a week and weigh up the pro's and cons of maybe importing into CH or just spending the extra and buying in CH.

Spending money when you're not working is just not easy is it.
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With my limited French I doubt I'll get anything off. My own fault for being a dirty foreigner. Lets hope this Biel T4 is as good as your Biel T4.
Quite happy to come with you and interpret Mike.

Edit - ooops- just seen Belgianmum has already offered. Bonne chance.
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Old 27.07.2011, 15:05
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Re: Buying a 2nd hand van.

Just found a brilliant deal on a VW T5.

Two issues, it's back in Glasgow (I'm here at the moment so that's not an issue)

But, two issues are, have you guys had much trouble or heard of having trouble getting parts for RHD vehicles in CH? Also, the van is still under manufactures warranty for a year. Will VW in CH or even German/France still uphold this or will it only apply to UK?

I wasn't thinking about importing from UK as it seems a lot of hassle, but this is a really good deal (too good to be true maybe)

Any info as always is much appreciated.
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Old 27.07.2011, 15:41
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Re: Buying a 2nd hand van.

Shouldn't be a major problem re parts as not too many will be different. But think hard about driving a RHD van here, a small car is one thing but with a wider van you will have visibility and car park ticket machine issues.

You will also have to get the lights and speedo etc changed which can be quite expensive.
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Shouldn't be a major problem re parts as not too many will be different. But think hard about driving a RHD van here, a small car is one thing but with a wider van you will have visibility and car park ticket machine issues.

You will also have to get the lights and speedo etc changed which can be quite expensive.
Have to agree with most of that. I have a RHD car here and it's not the big problem most people think it is - but a paneled van? Think the blind spots would worry me a lot.

Park ticket machines are a problem in my car as it's very low and I have to shuffle over and reach up. Thinking of getting one of those things litter collectors use - but there's no litter collector holder.

Surely in a van it's easier to shuffle over though?

Some seriously good deals on cars from the UK now though. Even after the import costs mine was 1/2 the price of the same CH car.
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Re: Buying a 2nd hand van.

Have you thought about import tax? We didn't have to pay for the Discovery as it was part of our move here. We didn't have to change speedo as it showed both miles and kms- but you do have to change lights, but not too expensive. Our guarantee was still OK here, but servicing was not included. We don't find having a big right-hand drive a problem here, but of course a Discovery does not have the same blind spots as a van. Car parks can be a pain. In Neuchatel wwe can just get into Place Pury but not at the Port.
Does anybody here know the contact details for 'Oorwullie' in the Fribourg area, who is a bit of a specialist in VWs? I knew him from another Forum but not sure if he is here?? He would be able to advise.

We had a few problems because our Model does not exist in Switzerland, when we first registered the car. The only difference was the upholstery!! They still gave us a right merry go round about it at the 'Service des Autos'- until the garage manager blew his top and just said 'give me the keys, I'll sort the ****** out. He was back 5 mins later with the paperwork sorted
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