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Old 12.04.2011, 16:00
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In your first post you asked for where you can find the information in English. As usual here there is much waffle and opinion, but no answers. The above book was written by a member of this Forum. It also covers in simple English the rules and methods of driving here. You can buy (Order) more detailed CDs and books about driving, in English, from any driving school or maybe on www.yahoo.co.uk .

If you are going to ask here for some piecemeal information, from ex-pats you are destined to miss something really important. You really need to read up about the regulations and soon.

In the absence of any understanding about the rules for priority, you should asume you do not have priority. Approaching a junction at 60 Km/hour when you are unsure of the rules is definitely a "no no" in my book, anal or not, you might kill someone, even yourself.

Now I see that you were not "Trolling" nor provoking a reply from me, and I unreservedly apologise for my earlier statement threatening kill you.

Here is a demonstration of the Swiss theory driving test. Sometimes there are more than one correct answer, http://cut.asa.ch/start.asp?lng=de
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Now I am really confused, driving through Glarus in peak hour traffic yesterday, I commented to my wife when I got home how polite the drivers were there compared to Zurich. I was on the main road and a lot of drivers stopped to let some (but not all) traffic in off side streets. Most of the side streets (if I recall correctly) had a white line across them indicating to stop and give way. So are these people polite or just following the rules? I also let a few people in just to be polite as I was travelling at walking pace only.
When the traffic on the 'main' road is fairly heavy, a driver coming from a side road would wait for ever to be able to join the main stream of traffic - and for ever and a day if he wanted to turn left. Kind drivers, who are not actually going anywhere very fast anyway, let the poor souls in in the fond hope that the same courtesy might be used on them when it's their turn to come in from a side road.
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Here is a demonstration of the Swiss theory driving test. Sometimes there are more than one correct answer, http://cut.asa.ch/start.asp?lng=de
AFAIK, you can take the Swiss driving test in a number of different languages, including English. Certainly the relevant information was available in English in BS.

@ the OP: Maybe you should ask the boys (& girls) in blue at your local traffic police station.

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When the traffic on the 'main' road is fairly heavy, a driver coming from a side road would wait for ever to be able to join the main stream of traffic - and for ever and a day if he wanted to turn left. Kind drivers, who are not actually going anywhere very fast anyway, let the poor souls in in the fond hope that the same courtesy might be used on them when it's their turn to come in from a side road.
What, you mean actually show common sense and decency to other road users? <sighs> Ahh, Longbyt, your naivety is always touching...

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What, you mean actually show common sense and decency to other road users? <sighs> Ahh, Longbyt, your naivety is always touching...
To be fair, the level of aggressive driving does drop as you leave the big cities behind. Zurich is especially bad for bad mannered and selfish driving.
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In your first post you asked for where you can find the information in English. As usual here there is much waffle and opinion, but no answers. The above book was written by a member of this Forum. It also covers in simple English the rules and methods of driving here.
To the best of my knowledge, Peter Hampshire (a nom de plume) author of 'Living and Working in Switzerland', is not a member of this forum. He doesn't even know how forums work...
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Old 12.04.2011, 16:17
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Christ, Ittigen. Get a hobby or something, won't you?

(Actually, I'm starting to think you're maybe a Troll - I mean, no one can really be as self righteous, angry & anal as you come across here, can they?)
Thanks, and yes I am angry, that many of you have never bothered to read the Swiss rules. Every 6 months or so someone pops up and asks an innocent question, and then all hell breaks loose as nobody can explain a rule without a joke or an insult.

The laws are there to save injury: and understanding them is not a means of reducing your time spent in front of a judge.

Please everybody: read up on the Swiss rules of the road!

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The Swiss code, in English, can be bought from any border crossing or 'Service des autos'. CHF12 I think.
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Thanks, and yes I am angry, that many of you have never bothered to read the Swiss rules.
Please evrybody: read up on the Swiss rules of the road!
So then, I take it that this demand of yours extends to the studious examination of the highway code of all other countries as well, & applies to anyone - including yourself - renting a car in any country other than the one in which they passed their test?



(By the way - did you ever happen to work in Health & Safety, per chance?)
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The laws are there to save injury: and understanding them is not a means of reducing your time spent in front of a judge.

Please evrybody: read up on the Swiss rules of the road!
Oh come on, Ittigen. Do you know every single code in the UK Highway code?

I sure as Hell don't now, and (probably ) couldn't when I took my test ~20 years ago (argh, had to work that out, feeling old...).

Same applies to Swiss traffic law, I know the basics (when handing over my licence I got given a copy of the rules, which I glanced at) and I learned many more oddities when my wife took her theory test, but I don't know them all by wrote.

Likewise, I don't know every single rule, regulation and law for every single part of life here in CH - and I reckon there'll be a few of them. I would suggest that you don't either, so wind your neck in a little, eh?

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Likewise, I don't know every single rule, regulation and law for every single part of life here in CH - and I reckon there'll be a few of them.
You can be fined for that
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When the traffic on the 'main' road is fairly heavy, a driver coming from a side road would wait for ever to be able to join the main stream of traffic - and for ever and a day if he wanted to turn left. Kind drivers, who are not actually going anywhere very fast anyway, let the poor souls in in the fond hope that the same courtesy might be used on them when it's their turn to come in from a side road.
Sadly in even moderate traffic this usually has the effect of causing a jam on the main road you are on. You stop and let someone out and the 20 drivers behind you are also forced to stop as well. Drives me mad every evening. Try to transfer that behavour to cities and you have a permanent superjam. There's a good reason why city drivers have to be aggressive.
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You can be fined for that
Oh yeah?

Show me the rule... c'mon, section, article, sub-article and line number. Please. Now.



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Sadly in even moderate traffic this usually has the effect of causing a jam on the main road you are on. You stop and let someone out and the 20 drivers behind you are also forced to stop as well. Drives me mad every evening. Try to transfer that behavour to cities and you have a permanent superjam. There's a good reason why city drivers have to be aggressive.
That's just so wrong. The converse of what you say is why many enforced reduced speed initiatives at times of peak traffic flow have been successful. It is the same principle as single queues - if everyone moves at the same (slower) speed, we all move faster on average. Much better to coast at a lower speed, allow people in/out/across without the concertina effect of fast acceleration and equally urgent braking of the tossers who think that being aggressive is going to make the world (and traffic jam in front of them) move faster.
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Oh yeah?

Show me the rule... c'mon, section, article, sub-article and line number. Please. Now.


12 - K - xxiv - 73

It is the one about a goat, a pentangle, candles and being in a wood.

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That's just so wrong. The converse of what you say is why many enforced reduced speed initiatives at times of peak traffic flow have been successful. It is the same principle as single queues - if everyone moves at the same (slower) speed, we all move faster on average. Much better to coast at a lower speed, allow people in/out/across without the concertina effect of fast acceleration and equally urgent braking of the tossers who think that being aggressive is going to make the world (and traffic jam in front of them) move faster.
What he said.
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I have my 'kontrolltestfahrt' tomorrow so this thread has been really helpful... Im super nervous!
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I would like you to consider the following situation.

You are driving carefully in one of the many Swiss roundabouts and a cyclist already in the roundabout moves suddenly from the outside of the circle, straight across your path towards the centre. Despite heavy braking you unfortunately hit his rear wheel, he is thrown off his bike and bangs his head badly on the road. Cyclist is badly injured as he wasn't wearing a helmet.

Ambulance, police report, court hearing etc. and the result?

Was the cyclist at fallt? And why?

Were you as car driver in the wrong at all? And if so why?

Please try and answer without any jokes or deliberately misleading information!

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12 - K - xxiv - 73

It is the one about a goat, a pentangle, candles and being in a wood.
My Swiss German must be a bit rusty. I thought that was about a pig, a triangle, a torch and glacier crevices...
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IYou are driving carefully in one of the many Swiss roundabouts and a cyclist moves from the outside of the circle, straight across your path towards the centre. Despite heavy braking you unfortunately hit his rear wheel, he is thrown off his bike and bangs his head badly on the road. Cyclist is badly injured as he wasn't wearing a helmet.
Can't answer, as I treat cyclists on a roundabout as I would a car - i.e. I "follow" them until it is my turn to exit rather than try to "overtake" them.
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You as the driver would be at fault im guessing? You should have been checking over your shoulder beforehand for cyclists and anticipated him before he even came straight across your path?

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I would like you to consider the following situation.

You are driving carefully in one of the many Swiss roundabouts and a cyclist moves from the outside of the circle, straight across your path towards the centre. Despite heavy braking you unfortunately hit his rear wheel, he is thrown off his bike and bangs his head badly on the road. Cyclist is badly injured as he wasn't wearing a helmet.

Ambulance, police report, court hearing etc. result.

Was the cyclist at fallt? And why?

Were you as car driver in the wrong at all? And if so why?

Please try and answer without any jokes or deliberately misleading information!
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I would like you to consider the following situation.

You are driving carefully in one of the many Swiss roundabouts and a cyclist moves from the outside of the circle, straight across your path towards the centre. Despite heavy braking you unfortunately hit his rear wheel, he is thrown off his bike and bangs his head badly on the road. Cyclist is badly injured as he wasn't wearing a helmet.
Depends on the roundabout and its markings. In a 30kmh zone - priority right applies. Elsewhere it will depend, as I said on the markings. If the cyclist came through "sharks teeth" (as they were labelled elsewhere) they would be at fault.

If there were no markings then the driver would be at fault.

Ittigen - you need to accept that there isn't a universal rule on this. And that specific road marking and road signing is applicable.

As for priority right - it isn't a carte blanche to do whatever the hell you want - if a driver is halfway across the junction you'd be a fool to pull out (because it your priority). You'd also be foolish to barrel up to a right turn having priority - and assume it is safe to turn.
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In your first post you asked for where you can find the information in English. As usual here there is much waffle and opinion, but no answers. The above book was written by a member of this Forum. It also covers in simple English the rules and methods of driving here. You can buy (Order) more detailed CDs and books about driving, in English, from any driving school or maybe on www.yahoo.co.uk .

If you are going to ask here for some piecemeal information, from ex-pats you are destined to miss something really important. You really need to read up about the regulations and soon.

In the absence of any understanding about the rules for priority, you should asume you do not have priority. Approaching a junction at 60 Km/hour when you are unsure of the rules is definitely a "no no" in my book, anal or not, you might kill someone, even yourself.

Now I see that you were not "Trolling" nor provoking a reply from me, and I unreservedly apologise for my earlier statement threatening kill you.

Here is a demonstration of the Swiss theory driving test. Sometimes there are more than one correct answer, http://cut.asa.ch/start.asp?lng=de
assuming i dont have priority at all times is nonsense: if thats the case I would drive at 20km/hr on a 60km/hr road. No body wants that. you should make sure you know what you are talking about before you press others in such an aggressive way. I think you demonstrated your lack of exact knowledge on the rule by insisting that cars on the right have priority at all times. This simply is NOT true when you consider all the signage, lights etc.
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