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selimhan 11.04.2011 23:06

crazy swiss driving habit, or is it me?
 
I learned driving in the USA more than ten years ago dont have too much driving experience in Europe. I moved to Basel recently, and noticed a weird behavior: when entering an intersection cars from the right jump in front of me, regardless of whatever situation. Today I was driving towards this red light and it turned green, so I simply kept going forward, with bunch of cars form the right honking and trying to do right-turns in front of me. I know, generally cars on the right have the right of way in a situation that correspond to a stop sign in the USA, but come on this is a green light on a major road (speed limit 60km/hr) and its supposed to be red for them, no?

Is there a good source in English on Swiss road rules?

st2lemans 11.04.2011 23:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by selimhan (Post 1166420)
I learned driving in the USA more than ten years ago dont have too much driving experience in Europe. I moved to Basel recently, and noticed a weird behavior: when entering an intersection cars from the right jump in front of me, regardless of whatever situation. Today I was driving towards this red light and it turned green, so I simply kept going forward, with bunch of cars form the right honking and trying to do right-turns in front of me. I know, generally cars on the right have the right of way in a situation that correspond to a stop sign in the USA, but come on this is a green light on a major road (speed limit 60km/hr) and its supposed to be red for them, no?

Is there a good source in English on Swiss road rules?

If they have no stop or yield, then they DO have the right of way (if you are in a 'RH priority' zone)

Tom

11.04.2011 23:27

Re: crazy swiss driving habit, or is it me?
 
Maybe you should read up on the local habits?

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selimhan 11.04.2011 23:37

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 1166434)
If they have no stop or yield, then they DO have the right of way (if you are in a 'RH priority' zone)

Tom

then, how do I know whether they have stop or yield, or not?

It doesnt make a lot of sense for the one who is driving along to constantly watch for the cars on the intersections to the right, while it is natural that cars wanting to enter a roadway watch for the oncoming traffic...

i mean, what is the exact rule for this whole thing? I truly wish to learn and obey

miniMia 11.04.2011 23:41

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Clearly, it's you.... ;)

I also suggest besides reading up on the rules you should also take a few driving lessons. But go back to that intersection. Maybe in the lane you were in you were supposed to turn left. I'm guessing you missed something there.

selimhan 11.04.2011 23:46

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Originally Posted by Ittigen (Post 1166467)
The rule is that you MUST give way to all traffic coming from your right hand side! You MUST get some driving lessons now!

Exceptionally when there is a sign that you have priority then you do not have to stop!
Please get some advice VERY soon, before you kill someone.

And if you are a troll, I will come round and kill you!

take it easy, will you?

Treverus 12.04.2011 00:07

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Originally Posted by selimhan (Post 1166469)
take it easy, will you?

Rule of thumb: Swiss people hardly ever honk. If they do you are really wrong about something. If several ones did - well, you got the point.

I must say that I find it pretty scary to read that you have apparently no clue at all how traffic works here on the most basic rules. Don't discuss weather it makes sense to you, learn them or you endanger yourself and others.

And last but not least: how do you know if it is a right-before left crossing:
1. Is there a traffic light? If you have green and you go straight, there really cannot be other cars having the right of way as you described. I guess you overlooked something.

2. If there is no traffic light: Are there signs that rule the right of way? Not necessarily a stop sign, this one is enough:
http://www.hs-merseburg.de/~nosske/E...k/e2v_vz96.gif

If you don't know it - please take a lesson!

3. If there are no signs, is there a curb, even if "flattened"?
http://www.fahrtipps.de/img/200/bordstein-abgesenkt.jpg

4. If no, are there "sharkteeth" on the road?
http://www.fahrtipps.de/img/534/haif...rkierungen.jpg


If you know those steps and their meaning, it should be in theory easy to see who's got the right of way.

Phil_MCR 12.04.2011 00:13

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 1166479)
Rule of thumb: Swiss people hardly ever honk. If they do you are really wrong about something. If several ones did - well, you got the point.

I must say that I find it pretty scary to read that you have apparently no clue at all how traffic works here on the most basic rules. Don't discuss weather it makes sense to you, learn them or you endanger yourself and others.

And last but not least: how do you know if it is a right-before left crossing:
1. Is there a traffic light? If you have green and you go straight, there really cannot be other cars having the right of way as you described. I guess you overlooked something.

2. If there is no traffic light: Are there signs that rule the right of way? Not necessarily a stop sign, this one is enough:
http://www.hs-merseburg.de/%7Enosske...k/e2v_vz96.gif

If you don't know it - please take a lesson!

3. If there are no signs, is there a curb, even if "flattened"?
http://www.fahrtipps.de/img/200/bordstein-abgesenkt.jpg

4. If no, are there "sharkteeth" on the road?
http://www.fahrtipps.de/img/534/haif...rkierungen.jpg


If you know those steps and their meaning, it should be in theory easy to see who's got the right of way.

whoops. i think i'd have to drive a 2km/h to be able to process all those rules!

i just drive and hope that everyone stays out of my way!

miniMia 12.04.2011 00:19

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Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 1166482)
i just drive and hope that everyone stays out of my way!

Me too. But at least I know the rules that I'm ignoring. ;)

Guest 12.04.2011 07:23

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The priority from the right rule scares me a bit and I'm always extra careful in such zones.

If I am being honest (through gritted teeth) I have to say it makes sense really because it keeps the traffic flowing a bit better without having queues and queues of traffic backed up down the side roads of busy main streets.

AbFab 12.04.2011 07:31

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You will want to look out for this road sign:

http://www.picturesof.net/_images_30...349-389048.jpg

and it's sister without the black diagonal slash...

Guest 12.04.2011 08:05

Re: crazy swiss driving habit, or is it me?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 1166482)
whoops. i think i'd have to drive a 2km/h to be able to process all those rules!

i just drive and hope that everyone stays out of my way!

If you can't cope with that then - honestly - you should not be driving here.

noella 12.04.2011 08:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ittigen (Post 1166467)
The rule is that you MUST give way to all traffic coming from your right hand side! You MUST get some driving lessons now!

Exceptionally when there is a sign that you have priority then you do not have to stop!
Please get some advice VERY soon, before you kill someone.

And if you are a troll, I will come round and kill you!

You are unbelievably dangerous man, I can't believe you are still alive!


ALL traffic from the right??? My understanding is only to traffic from the right who do NOT have a give way sign?

xkcd 12.04.2011 08:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by selimhan (Post 1166420)
Today I was driving towards this red light and it turned green, so I simply kept going forward, with bunch of cars form the right honking and trying to do right-turns in front of me. I know, generally cars on the right have the right of way in a situation that correspond to a stop sign in the USA, but come on this is a green light on a major road (speed limit 60km/hr) and its supposed to be red for them, no?

Just as a reminder to all the advise given re right of way - according to the OP there was a green traffic light giving the right of way to the OP.
Maybe the green light did no refer to his lane (as suggested by MiniMia), but this is mere speculation on our part.
OP, you may want to verify that the green light was really for the straight lane, not the left- or right-hand lane at the intersection.

12.04.2011 08:24

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The thanks is not for the kill part, but for the driving lesson suggestion, which I really second.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Ittigen (Post 1166467)
The rule is that you MUST give way to all traffic coming from your right hand side! You MUST get some driving lessons now!

Exceptionally when there is a sign that you have priority then you do not have to stop!
Please get some advice VERY soon, before you kill someone.

And if you are a troll, I will come round and kill you!

You are unbelievably dangerous man, I can't believe you are still alive!


PaddyG 12.04.2011 08:28

Re: crazy swiss driving habit, or is it me?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ittigen (Post 1166467)
The rule is that you MUST give way to all traffic coming from your right hand side! You MUST get some driving lessons now!

Apart from on a roundabout, where vehicles already on the roundabout (and therefore coming from the LEFT) have priority :D

selimhan 12.04.2011 08:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xkcd (Post 1166547)
Just as a reminder to all the advise given re right of way - according to the OP there was a green traffic light giving the right of way to the OP.
Maybe the green light did no refer to his lane (as suggested by MiniMia), but this is mere speculation on our part.
OP, you may want to verify that the green light was really for the straight lane, not the left- or right-hand lane at the intersection.

I will check and verify if it was a single or double lane, because this is the only possibility that makes sense with all the info (and flak!) given here so far

selimhan 12.04.2011 08:33

Re: crazy swiss driving habit, or is it me?
 
by the way, we dont seem to have a conclusion if the traffic on the right ALWAYS have the right of way as somebody suggested earlier. I already counted a few exceptions...

Brighouse 12.04.2011 08:34

Re: crazy swiss driving habit, or is it me?
 
There is a light at Kunsthaus and then a priority to the right a few yards later.

I agree it's nuts, but one must obey!

It's best just to accept it, buy the Swiss Highway Code, and follow the rules... :)

Mrs. Doolittle 12.04.2011 08:36

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If you learn to drive here, you learn the rules because you have no choice. Having the automatic right to drive here seems to be given too easily. I think there should at least be a test for the knowledge of the basic rules, and signs.


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