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Old 27.04.2011, 22:43
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Re: Fleeing the scene of an accident/trying to run someone over

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Probably right. Foreigner always wrong. Should just pay my taxes and shut up.
How do you know that the woman in the car wasn't a foreigner too?
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Old 27.04.2011, 22:44
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Please ..... not so much of the boy bikers -- some of us are old git bikers (well speaking personally, at least).
I'm neither old nor young, a mere 52.

But I do own some very hooligan bikes!

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Old 27.04.2011, 23:25
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How do you know that the woman in the car wasn't a foreigner too?
50/50 chance she's a foreigner too. I'd bet she was. A good "oppressed Swiss person" would never have fled the scene of an accident OR tried to run someone over.

tmcwhirter, I'm glad you weren't hurt.

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But I do own some very hooligan bikes!
Which you seem to be abusing by the looks of your avatar!
I may have to confiscate it and put it in a foster home.

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Old 27.04.2011, 23:29
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Re: Fleeing the scene of an accident/trying to run someone over

You filed a report, the police will/should get back to you.
Regardless of filtering etc, she used her car.
Luckily you were not hurt, but you could have been.
Hand over the licence plates numbers to the police and follow-up with them (not her).
Foreign or not, you or her, regardless, the law does apply to everybody.
I'm amazed.... didn't anybody try and help you ?
That bridge is the busiest of the whole city. Tons of people must have witnessed the altercation no ?
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Old 28.04.2011, 01:00
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MiniMia makes a good point. In the heat of the moment we all react without thinking. The lady driver did, so did you tmcwhirter. Suddenly an accident turns into something nastier. You just have to remember how her lawyer might present this in cross examination:

Tell me Mr. tmcwhirter, could you describe the manoeuver which led up to the incident:



Why did you do this?



Counsel for the defense looks at the judge. "So you admit you were committing an illegal manoeuver in order to jump the queue? "



But you knew it was illegal in Switzerland?



Do you have no respect for Swiss traffic laws?



Counsel for defense looks at judge whilst repeating your words very slowly and shaking his head:
"Understood that it illegal here. Choose to do it anyhow.... I will happily pay a fine if/when caught."

Counsel looks at the judge, then back at you and says "After committing this illegal manoeuver, what did you do then?"



Counsel for defense: "So not only did you commit an illegal manoeuver, you threatened my client?"



Counsel for defence looks at judge. His eyebrows shoot up. "Honking horn? Bashing on windows? Blocking the car again and again?" He shakes his head and throws a knowing look at the judge.
"Tell me Mr. tmcwhirter, how did my client react?"






Did she? I assume the plaintiff has witness statements to back this up?
But if it was a J-walker which is also illegal in Switzerland, the driver would have been entitled to run over the pedestrian in the road? But I agree, without winesses an elderly Swiss driver maybe given the benefit of the doubt over a younger, foreign motorcyclist.

I've heard about this ability to track down vehicle owners from their reg plates (in certain kantons).
I'd certainly try to communicate to the driver the error of their ways. She may do it again with more serious consequences and she also may need to wear glasses when driving if she simply didn't see the motorcyclist (or how close he was).
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Old 28.04.2011, 09:28
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But if it was a J-walker which is also illegal in Switzerland, the driver would have been entitled to run over the pedestrian in the road?
I'm not judging anybody, least of all the OP. We've all been there. Just trying to illustrate how things can spiral out of control in the heat of the moment. Lawyers are great at twisting things round. I should know, I did my share of it before I sold my soul to the evil empire of global banking. And believe me, if it ever came to court, that "batsh*t crazy elderly woman" would appear in the witness box as a frail, upstanding, senior citizen who wouldn't hurt a fly.
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Old 28.04.2011, 09:49
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Re: Fleeing the scene of an accident/trying to run someone over

Swiss courts for small things don't work like that, normally you get found guilty in your absence, the first you know is you receive a letter with a fine. If you appeal it may go to 'court' which is more of a 'meeting' round the table. The Judge also acts for the police, so it's you , your lawyer & the Judge!

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MiniMia makes a good point. In the heat of the moment we all react without thinking. The lady driver did, so did you tmcwhirter. Suddenly an accident turns into something nastier. You just have to remember how her lawyer might present this in cross examination:

Tell me Mr. tmcwhirter, could you describe the manoeuver which led up to the incident:



Why did you do this?



Counsel for the defense looks at the judge. "So you admit you were committing an illegal manoeuver in order to jump the queue? "



But you knew it was illegal in Switzerland?



Do you have no respect for Swiss traffic laws?



Counsel for defense looks at judge whilst repeating your words very slowly and shaking his head:
"Understood that it illegal here. Choose to do it anyhow.... I will happily pay a fine if/when caught."

Counsel looks at the judge, then back at you and says "After committing this illegal manoeuver, what did you do then?"



Counsel for defense: "So not only did you commit an illegal manoeuver, you threatened my client?"



Counsel for defence looks at judge. His eyebrows shoot up. "Honking horn? Bashing on windows? Blocking the car again and again?" He shakes his head and throws a knowing look at the judge.
"Tell me Mr. tmcwhirter, how did my client react?"






Did she? I assume the plaintiff has witness statements to back this up?
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Old 28.04.2011, 10:01
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Re: Fleeing the scene of an accident/trying to run someone over

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I'd be a bit alarmed, and I'm neither elderly nor a woman.
just chicken ?
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Old 28.04.2011, 10:03
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I was riding my motorcycle home along the Quai de Mt Blanc in Geneva yesterday in normal gridlock traffic when a driver ran over my foot.
I once saw this happen in a slightly different situation. There wa a crowd watching a cycling event when a car, nudging through the spectators, ran over a big bloke's foot. He got very upset and kicked (with the other foot)a big dent in the cars door...
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Old 28.04.2011, 13:40
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Please ..... not so much of the boy bikers -- some of us are old git bikers (well speaking personally, at least).
... and some of us can't even ride a pushbike, never mind a motorbike.
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