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Old 10.05.2011, 15:23
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I have visions of the motorcyclist and police car (lights flashing) sitting at either end of a ferry waiting to resume their hot pursuit.
Do they give you a countdown? 3,2,1 Go!?
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I have visions of the motorcyclist and police car (lights flashing) sitting at either end of a ferry waiting to resume their hot pursuit.
The Department du Nord has apparantly had an agreement to pursue people in Belguim and Kent for a while, in part owing to the high incidence of accidents caused by people treating the Calais to Oostend road as a racetrack.

Now I can understand this working in Belgium, but what happens if the offender goes by tunnel, do the french plods take the ferry and try to catch up on the M20?

I'm pointing out, it's pointless, if the French plods don't catch you by you crossing passport control for the Tunnel/Ferry then it would have to be UK coppers involved I assume.

Then what happens? I doubt the UK coppers would pull you back to the port/tunnel once you crossed through and send you back to France...

This is where the Kent bit comes in. Since when did French plods have the right to pull someone in Kent?
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Old 10.05.2011, 15:45
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Continuing off topic a moment...
I was given some tips on mountain riding by a cop on the advanced motorcycling course.

Ride to what you can see. Work on the basis if you cannot see round a bend there might be a tractor parked in the road.

If there are white lines, they are usually there for a reason. Dont cross them unless you really really have to. See a video I posted a while back on Nuveno. Shortly after the start you will see why it not a good idea to commit to a blind corner on the wrong side...
Good advice, but surely common sense and applicable to all users in (at least in the case of blind corners) all situations? Not just bikers on mountain passes.
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Old 10.05.2011, 16:33
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To quote 2000 AD's Torquemada, "Be Vigilant, Be Pure, Behave"
Yeah, and the police really are our Nemesis
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Have you seen the video of the French body roller blader coming down the Grimsel? Maybe some clever clog can put it on here- now he makes motorbikers look very tame.
The worst is coming up the Splugen pass from Italy into CH, when all the Italians returning home think they are British, and decide to drive on the left (as they are tooooo scared of the drops!).
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Re: Unmarked Police car on the Sustenpass

How about this nutter:

http://youtu.be/LWLbu1wIIEo
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Old 10.05.2011, 18:31
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I thought he was 'just another nutter' until min 2.05 - and I saw the bikes and cars coming the other way. Imagine being overtaken by this guy
Wonder what the cops in unmarked car would have done with him?
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Old 10.05.2011, 18:48
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Continuing off topic a moment...

Practically every time I have been over the high alps there has been some incident or other, the sorry sight of a small group of forlorn motorcyclists and a cop car waiting while the climbers go down to fetch the wreckage. I was given some tips on mountain riding by a cop on the advanced motorcycling course.

Ride to what you can see. Work on the basis if you cannot see round a bend there might be a tractor parked in the road.

If there are white lines, they are usually there for a reason. Dont cross them unless you really really have to. See a video I posted a while back on Nuveno. Shortly after the start you will see why it not a good idea to commit to a blind corner on the wrong side...

http://www.youtube.com/user/karrobex#p/u/13/W7ihlEMh_Rc

I note that there are alot of places on the passes where the limit is 50 BTW, and they are patrolled. I have a certain sympathy with the cops who have to pull people out of the gorges in kit form when they get it wrong.
Being a motorcyclist I agree with all the above, but in all fairness I have to point out that there has been absolutley no shortage whatsoever of car drivers being scaped up from valley floors.
Lets not let this become an unneccessary biker bashing thread, please.

Regardless of the vehicle, you need to take care on those alpine roads and keep your wits about you.
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Old 10.05.2011, 21:21
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What about cycles? Some of those mothers on the Klausen must have been touching 100 kmph and only lycra (wrong in each and every situation, no excuses) to protect their insides .
I never said that cyclists are innocent. However cyclists don't generate the same noise, annoyance and fear to other traffic that many (not all) motorcyclists do. You can spin it any way you want, but motorcyclists are over-represented in at-fault accidents in the mountains. 7 from 10 roadside shrines are a testament to that.

You'll never see cyclists produce a 1 weekend/1 Kanton statistic like this.

And I'm not as biased as you think. I have a motorcycle licence and enjoy riding motorbikes as well. I still have my Dianese leather suit which saved my a*se when I wrote of my K1200RS in a head-on highway collision..Been there, got the T-shirt.

As for lycra...well, most of the motorcyclists I see at the top of the pass aren't a pretty sight in leathers.
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motorcyclists are over-represented in at-fault accidents in the mountains.
Total BS!

It's idiots that are at fault, are USUALLY foreigners!

Sorry, but true.

Most are vacationers, or other tourists. Hiking, biking, skiing, motorcyling, name it they do it and die.

Deal with it.

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Total BS!

It's idiots that are at fault, are USUALLY foreigners!

Sorry, but true.

Most are vacationers, or other tourists. Hiking, biking, skiing, motorcyling, name it they do it and die.

Deal with it.

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Well the roadside shrines seem to state otherwise. In addition,when you are grinding up the pass at 12pm/h you can see the ergo plates, and it is easily 50/50 Swiss to foreign plates. But if all you can do is groan instead of offering a valid argument... I can live with that.
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Shame this thread has gone this way. It was only supposed to be helpful, not a catalyst to motorbike versus cars versus cyclist arguments.

Anyone for a topical discussion about the use of a bbq rotisserie? Seriously, I just bought one and realised I don't actually know how to use it.
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Old 11.05.2011, 00:06
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it is easily 50/50 Swiss to foreign plates.
Most riders are Swiss, the majority of the accident victims are not.

This is the case of skiing, climbing, whatever. Don't want to hear it? Fine, but this IS the reality. Accident victims here are by and large non-residents, regardless of the sport.

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Most riders are Swiss, the majority of the accident victims are not.

This is the case of skiing, climbing, whatever. Don't want to hear it? Fine, but this IS the reality. Accident victims here are by and large non-residents, regardless of the sport.

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Nationality doesn't come into this at all, I certainly never introduced it into the argument.

I'll admit that many cyclists in the cities are reckless (red light running, etc) which gives well-behaving cyclists there a bad name. Likewise, the behaviour of many motorcyclists in the mountains is reckless, accidents or not, hence the unmarked police presence. Do you think I pulled that newspaper article out of my a*rse? Or don't want to hear it? Fine, but it is reality.

I'm assuming you've never experienced a weekend pass from a velo perspective from your staunch defence.

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Re: Unmarked Police car on the Sustenpass

It is usually rather easy to spot the unmarked police cars. I'd say 80% of them on the highway are some sort of station wagon BMW usually black or metallic gray. So the second you see one of these cars.. take immediate precaution.

Next thing you should be looking at is.. see if you can see through the car. The police cars have some sort of LED panels inside (usually to display warnings i.e. folgen bitte etc.). So it is not easy to see through the car.. if look at it from behind and can see the cars in front of the Beamer.. than it probably isnt a police car.

So if see one of these BMW vehicles and if you can't see through, immediately stop doing whatever illegal and approach slowly to pass in a "legal" manner .. once you've lost'em, go on having fun! ))
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I drive a dark grey metallic BMW "station wagon" (estate, kombi) with tinted windows so you can't see though.

Just call me "Chief Super DK of the yard."
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Re: Unmarked Police car on the Sustenpass

Anyone for a topical discussion about the use of a bbq rotisserie? Seriously, I just bought one and realised I don't actually know how to use it.[/QUOTE]
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Isn't that otherwise known as cannibalism?
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Most riders are Swiss, the majority of the accident victims are not.

This is the case of skiing, climbing, whatever. Don't want to hear it? Fine, but this IS the reality. Accident victims here are by and large non-residents, regardless of the sport.

Tom
Hi,
I would like to hear it; I would be particularly interested in having a look at your source of information (if you can share it here).

Slightly OT but when I have been on Alpine passes, I have often wondered if Switzerland has any laws about vehicular noise pollution, in particular for motorbikes...if so, are they enforced?
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Most riders are Swiss, the majority of the accident victims are not.

This is the case of skiing, climbing, whatever. Don't want to hear it? Fine, but this IS the reality. Accident victims here are by and large non-residents, regardless of the sport.

Tom
I've never seen any other nation more worried about safety than Swiss. It is not just the strict law and regulations.. but their life is built up around "safety" in every aspect.

I met so many older Swiss guys who were literally proud (!?!) that they never got a speeding ticket in the last 20 years.. that'd be considered to be very "sad" thing or lame in many other countries )

so no surprise.. most accidents are done by foreigners.
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In my experience the elf 'n' safety rules and very lax in Switzerland. A lot is down to the use of common sense - I've seen angle grinders being used on Bahnhofstrasse sending out showers of sparks and no one getting injured.

Not getting a speeding ticket does not mean you don't drive fast - it just means you don't get caught.
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