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Old 27.05.2011, 09:12
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Re: Buying a bike

I am in the same position as many of you, I need a bike to ride in the city mostly. I drove a couple of friends' MTBs but didn't like the fat tyres much.. I figured I need the slim tyres of city or racing bikes as I'd rarely if ever go off the street or biking paths. And I don't want to spend too much either, so I'll go check out these bikes this evening:

http://www.jumbo.ch/die_schaerfsten_...og_201112.html

Citybike Newport or Citybike Practic.. 379.- or 225.- pretty cheap for a new bike.. I hope it'll do for my purposes.
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Old 27.05.2011, 09:29
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Re: Buying a bike

I bike mainly on the bike paths, so road, some dirt, and some gravel.

I rented twice one of the bikes from the SBB. They are Tour de Suisse. Once a year they sell the used bikes to create a new stock at the train stations, but you can also buy them off the site. Since I tested it out and liked the bike and how it handled, I bought one. I have a bright orange bike that I can spot in the bike racks and is quite cute--don't worry, they have other colors too.

I found this a good way of getting a quality bike. They are taken care of, and they are solid beasts. Plus, I'm not the tallest person, so having access to a test bike in a small frame was a plus.

Edit: Note on the prices: Normally Tour de Suisse bikes are in the CHF 1000-1200 range (depends on what you exactly want). I got mine for CHF600.

Note on available bikes: They have Lady/City bikes, Mountain bikes, and Hybrid/Bike path bikes.
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Old 27.05.2011, 09:42
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The point I'm trying to get to is one bike I tried had V brakes, the other disc, and quite honestly the V brakes were better. Am I missing something?
I agree with you and Salsa_lover, V brakes are very good and I don't see the point of discs.

I ride a motorcycle, in the motorcycle world you see the brake disks get bigger and bigger with some bikes already having a brake disk almost as big as the wheel itself. Soon they'll start with rim-brakes . Based on this I don't really understand the bicycle world where the move is from large discs (the rim) to small discs.

I did notice however that for bicycles there can be large quality differences in the brake pads for V-brakes. The cheap ones from Jumbo for instance brake very badly on a wet rim and wear quickly. Therefore I always buy the 'official' Shimano ones, braking is excellent (also in the wet, I notice no difference with dry) and they last long. Also, when pads need replacing, spend chf 2 extra and replace the complete brake assembly (pads plus arms) as with age and roadsalt the arms can get stuck (removing all braking )
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Old 27.05.2011, 09:45
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I have a bright orange bike that I can spot in the bike racks and is quite cute--don't worry, they have other colors too.
Orange is a very good color

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Old 27.05.2011, 09:51
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Also, when pads need replacing, spend chf 2 extra and replace the complete brake assembly (pads plus arms) as with age and roadsalt the arms can get stuck (removing all braking )
I owned and rode a bike daily - a heavy old MTB, back in the days when MTBs were "new" (I remember having the pursuade my dad, that no it wasn't a BMX...) - for 6 odd years, through rain, sleet and snow... never had to replace the brakes... is that just me?

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Old 27.05.2011, 09:55
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I agree with you and Salsa_lover, V brakes are very good and I don't see the point of discs.

I ride a motorcycle, in the motorcycle world you see the brake disks get bigger and bigger with some bikes already having a brake disk almost as big as the wheel itself. Soon they'll start with rim-brakes . Based on this I don't really understand the bicycle world where the move is from large discs (the rim) to small discs.

I did notice however that for bicycles there can be large quality differences in the brake pads for V-brakes. The cheap ones from Jumbo for instance brake very badly on a wet rim and wear quickly. Therefore I always buy the 'official' Shimano ones, braking is excellent (also in the wet, I notice no difference with dry) and they last long. Also, when pads need replacing, spend chf 2 extra and replace the complete brake assembly (pads plus arms) as with age and roadsalt the arms can get stuck (removing all braking )
Again it's horses for courses. For most purposes where you are not riding steep descents or in mud rim brakes are fine. However, disc brakes (particularly hydraulic discs) provide an enormous performance improvement. You may not notice it in a slow speed car park test but believe me if you ride anything steep and technical the difference is astounding.

There is a limit to the amount of power a rim brake can provide without damaging the rim. Even with normal V-Brakes the rim gets scored after a lot of use. With discs you don't have this issue. Also disc brakes are less susceptible to loss of braking power in the wet and when set up properly provide better modulation of the power with a lot less force required by the finger. This is all not relevant on a city bike, or a bike that will only be used on fire roads but if you intend to take the bike on trails it's a different story.

On the down side, in my opinion discs require more maintenance and need a bit of knowledge to get them set up perfectly. When they are though they are excellent.
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Old 27.05.2011, 10:13
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Re: Buying a bike

As Eire said.

for me the main advantages of disk brakes are 2

1. The braking surface is on the disk that is easier and cheaper to replace than a rim/wheel.

2. In cases where you need to really brake a lot ( long and steep downhills ) the heat produced by braking could overheat the rim and then blast the tube/tyre particularly when you are using light racing tubes and tyres. which would not happen on disk brakes.

Both are not so relevant for city commuting.

Mechanical disk brakes on city bikes are just for marketing with no real advantage.

Hydraulic disk brakes on MTBs are another story.
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Old 27.05.2011, 10:24
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Re: Buying a bike

Went to help a friend stuff a rebuilt motor in his old Jaguar the other day. He said to meet him in the center of the village as he needed some oil or something and was on his bike (car out of commission, right).

Found him; he was on a '40s Swiss Army bike. Said "follow me". That skinny little dude had that heavy freaking single speed tank up to 40kmh in seconds .

I've always been a fan of old bikes but that's a little old and single speed-y for me. I've got a late 60's-early 70's lime green Tigra racing bike I think I'll "city-ize" with straight bars and slightly bigger tires, maybe a rack. Might get fancy with a Sturmy hub and toss the derailleur.

Haven't read the thread since like page 3 so hope this is irrelevant enough .
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....The point I'm trying to get to is one bike I tried had V brakes, the other disc, and quite honestly the V brakes were better. Am I missing something?
I think Eire and Salsa have covered much of it, I would also add that on longer downhills hydraulic disc brakes are much less tiring on your hands than V brakes.

Perhaps on the testing point....new discs (and/or pads) need about 10 good hard brakes to "burn in" (meaning perhaps 40 Km/h to nil) - if the brakes are new they will feel like they're not doing anything very much.

On my mountain bike I would only ever have hydraulic disc brakes. On my city bike I have bog standard V's.
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Old 27.05.2011, 10:44
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grr. just got 100chf coupon for sportXX. if only i got it before i bought my bike...
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Old 27.05.2011, 10:50
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Found him; he was on a '40s Swiss Army bike. Said "follow me". That skinny little dude had that heavy freaking single speed tank up to 40kmh in seconds .

I've always been a fan of old bikes

old bike for sale:

http://www.velo-zuerich.ch/velo-zuer...-velo-1899.htm
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Old 27.05.2011, 10:56
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grr. just got 100chf coupon for sportXX. if only i got it before i bought my bike...

You can do as all the local cyclists here and invest it in a cool spandex suit

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Re: Buying a bike

Sorry to interrupt the bike porn, but disc brakes are not necessary on a 5km each way commute along a flat dirt track or bicycle path. It's likely the rider will be long dead before the wheel rims wear out from a v-brake.

Plus you don't need to know anything special to check a v-brake, adjust it and, at some point, replace the pads. It's all rather obvious simply by looking at it.
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the rider will be long dead before the wheel rims wear out from a v-brake.
true, got 40000km on my front rim, still doing fine
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Old 27.05.2011, 18:22
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A friend of mine collected bikes- he would have loved that!

Velo-zuerich has some really cool vintage stuff listed, just a bit pricey for me. This one's a dead-ringer for mine, except for the handlebars. Their price:990CHF. Mud flea market find price 100CHF. And it's dead on my size!

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Sorry I'd still take Canyon, you'll get a similar specced Canyon for 699 and they even have one that is not that much worse for 599. You'll still get the VAT back. At this point they have a volume that you won't beat. The frames are basically free. I know people who ride more niche bikes who have considered buying canyons because it's cheaper to buy the whole bike and ditch the frame than to buy a group set.

Put that along with the fact that their frames are actually quite good and you have a winning combination in my book.

By the way I reckon it is open to discussion, we're talking about a difference of 100 or 200 Euro which is a pretty large percentage of the over cost at this price point.
Okay - I give up and go for a hunt .. anoyone up to Canyon Yellowstone ?
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Old 30.05.2011, 10:05
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Anyone got any opinions/experience on Price or Stevens bikes?
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Price are Swiss assembled taiwanese bikes.

They are quite good if you can get them cheap, I would not pay the retail price asked on the shops here

my commuter is built on a Price CX frameset.
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