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Old 12.05.2011, 17:50
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Warning ! France removes warning signs for fixed radars

Be careful with your speed in France.

Officially due to an increase in the number of highway deaths since the beginning of the year, France has decided to REMOVE all warning signs that indicate where the fixed radar boxes are located. In the past, you saw a sign that indicated when you were entering a zone with a fixed radar.

They will also install 1'000 more fixed radars on highways between now and end 2012.

Additionally, France has a number of installations that calculates your speed over a certain distance (often 5 - 8 km). It does this by filming ALL cars that pass and films them a second time when they leave the zone. The average speed is then calculated and a fine is sent if you are over the speed limit.

CH is also testing this distance/speed system this year in two fixed locations. One near Aigle-Bex (highway going into the VS) and one near Basel in the Arisdorf tunnel. There is also a mobile unit.

A reminder, CH and FR share driver information so any speeding tickets in FR will quickly find their way to your home address in CH.
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Old 12.05.2011, 17:52
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Re: Warning ! France removes warning signs for fixed radars

Oh, crap...
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Old 12.05.2011, 18:25
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Re: Warning ! France removes warning signs for fixed radars

Driving is set to become very complicated there. Not only will we have to negotiate our way alongside other road users, but we'll have to monitor our speed at the same time? Whatever next? Staying in lane? Stopping at red lights? I blame Nick Clegg.
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Be careful with your speed in France.
Be careful with your speed in *insert country name here*.
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Old 12.05.2011, 18:43
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Nice export from the UK Average Speed Cameras.

Usually placed on nicely felted autobahns with roadworks with no one working on them.

Really useful at collecting cash at 4am when there's no one to be seen and the wary driver forgets not to drive to the road conditions.
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Old 12.05.2011, 18:48
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Re: Warning ! France removes warning signs for fixed radars

So you can still sit at 140kmh on the cruise control in France then
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Re: Warning ! France removes warning signs for fixed radars

I would like to apologize in the name of France and french people.

We are removing the warning signs and GPS alerts because we care for money rather than anything else.

We screwed up the economy, we gave away millions and millions to the banks, who have important unemployment rate. But still we can afford to "serve our country" and being paid 30 000euros/months + benefits to dump such law modifications.

Of course if you get your car, bike, stolen they will be nothing we will do. Not because we can't but because we don't care. But if you dare to commit the crime to speed 5km more than allowed in the empty motorway by night, we will track you. We will find you anywhere. We will punish you. We will take your money.

Also we will soon change the law to make you a criminal and jail you for 10 years for speeding 10km above limit on an empty motorway by night.
In the same time we have no problems giving little sanctions to murderers, stabbers, etc....


Well be warned*.

*sorry I forgot we dont give warning anymore now
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Re: Warning ! France removes warning signs for fixed radars

I always drive the speed limit. This afternoon, coming from Annecy from the highway to the French border, while slowing down to get in a line to pass the border and preparing to stop to do de-tax I got some white flash some 50m in front of me, just 5 meter from the border ramp. How fast can you drive just before the ramp so you would put a speed camera there? I have a bad feeling that the flash was intended for me, but might have been somebody else, which I doubt. Just after the flash I saw I was entering 30km zone and I was already slowing down below 30, which means that before it was a 50km zone and I must have been below that too as there were other cars in front of me, not to mention that I intended to stop at the border, not just pass.

So, all the way I had set the limiter on 110km as I have a heavy foot and probably got the happy picture 5 meters from the border post where I was stopping anyway. If I get a fine, it will be my first.

So, camera at the border post, really?!
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Old 14.05.2011, 22:21
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Driving is set to become very complicated there. Not only will we have to negotiate our way alongside other road users, but we'll have to monitor our speed at the same time? Whatever next? Staying in lane? Stopping at red lights? I blame Nick Clegg.
What he said.

Plus - why do people always see being caught for speeding as some sort of infringement on their human rights? There's a speed limit - stick to it for free, exceed it at a price. Jeezus.
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Re: Warning ! France removes warning signs for fixed radars

I guess they also want to make POI with radars illegal for GPS devices, like in Switzerland:

(in French)

http://forum.motards.ch/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81839
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What he said.

Plus - why do people always see being caught for speeding as some sort of infringement on their human rights? There's a speed limit - stick to it for free, exceed it at a price. Jeezus.
If it was for safety, fine.
It's clearly for grabbing more money-

Also, if you followed the topic you'll see that it was an issue because French government did not discuss the topic with the GPS associations, etc... Who claim that having the warning on the "gps device" actually saved life/ accidents.

The "so nice government" can do much more for the road safety, road users, etc... But they don't give a damn.

What matters is how much money they collect to be proud of their statistics and show how good they are.


Also if it's so dangerous to speed, why they not force the constructors to block the engines max speed? Or why not they install a device capable of adapting the max speed to the current road?
I mean installing something to monitor/spy on users to see if they are doing anything illegal... They do that with "Hadopi" (computer/internet, google it).


I'm not defending speeding, but I strongly dislike government leeches who only care about money.
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Old 16.05.2011, 10:21
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Re: Warning ! France removes warning signs for fixed radars

The radar in front of Bardonnex customs crossing point is new and has paid for itself already. The speed limit there is 50km/hr. I understood this decision to remove the signs and ban radar detection equipment was only being voted this week??
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I'm not defending speeding, but I strongly dislike government leeches who only care about money.
So it would be a kick in the guts for the government if everyone started obeying the speed limit and the income from speeding fines dried up, wouldn't it?

But that would never happen. As long as people like to drive above the speed limit, the authorities will continue to profit from them. Simples.
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So it would be a kick in the guts for the government if everyone started obeying the speed limit and the income from speeding fines dried up, wouldn't it?

But that would never happen. As long as people like to drive above the speed limit, the authorities will continue to profit from them. Simples.
Agreed- no changes will ever happen:
If it's so dangerous and criminal then why they don't implement something at the root cause of the issue? (car manufacturers or directly on the engine, or gps device in the vehicle sending speed to police or sending signal to the engine).

But no, they only put speed cameras to "acknowledge the problem" or "see it" (and collect money)....

But yes as said, nothing will change.
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So it would be a kick in the guts for the government if everyone started obeying the speed limit and the income from speeding fines dried up, wouldn't it?

But that would never happen. As long as people like to drive above the speed limit, the authorities will continue to profit from them. Simples.
They'd just be more sneaky in positioning said cash boxes.

I was shocked in Luzern at the positioning of a couple of cameras at the weekend I spent the best part of 5km staring at the speedo and signage to ensure I was conforming to "zee rules."

Problem is if a small child or similar had jumped out my reaction times would have been reduced.

My POI speed thingee was going off like a fruit machine that was paying out.
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Problem is if a small child or similar had jumped out my reaction times would have been reduced.
Yeah, this is the first thing I've noticed when I came into Switzerland. I become to stare at speedometer and traffic lights when passing crossings, as a result I start to feel that I pay less attention to motocyclists and kids on a sideroads.

There was no such problem in Kyiv. Limit is 60 km/h but you can do +20km/h without any punishment (radars start to catch you at +21).
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Yeah, this is the first thing I've noticed when I came into Switzerland. I become to stare at speedometer and traffic lights when passing crossings, as a result I start to feel that I pay less attention to motocyclists and kids on a sideroads.
Does this mean that we ladies are better drivers because we can multi-task?

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Does this mean that we ladies are better drivers because we can multi-task?

*Runs and hides*
Definitely you are! I've read some articles saying that women are more safer drivers than men
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Does this mean that we ladies are better drivers because we can multi-task?

*Runs and hides*
Depends if it involves a parallel park
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[QUOTE=Sandgrounder;1197672]So it would be a kick in the guts for the government if everyone started obeying the speed limit and the income from speeding fines dried up, wouldn't it?QUOTE]

They would almost certainly react to this type of antisocial behaviour by lowering the speed limit .
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