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There is no justification, absolutely none, for not wearing a helmet.
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Interestingly enough, the last study that I looked at said that it didn't really matter if children wore helmets as they weren't that far off of the ground and didn't have that much speed to worry about. If we were that worried we would make our children wear helmets when they went running around as well. I think it is more about socializing them to the habits and comfort level of wearing a helmet than any actually protective value. (Dons nomex suit... )
That's one of the main reasons I make my son wear a helmet. At the moment he pootles round on his bike at a walking pace so is no more likely to sustain a head injury than if he's running about on his own two legs. Having said that, I want him to associate getting on his bike with wearing a helmet to get him ready for the time he's attempting to do a bunny-hop display down a set of steps or race around like a nutcase with his mates and he hits some loose gravel or a curb stone.
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There is no justification, absolutely none, for not wearing a helmet.
Yes, there is. Try grinding up a steep mountain pass on a hot day all itchy and sweaty under one of those helmets instead of bare-headed or wearing a light cap. Bike helmets, Ski Helmets, Ski body armour, Car seats, Mineral water. It's more about marketing and making money than about saving lives.
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Re: Bicycle helmets- yes or no?

And someone flying DOWN the path hits you and you go down and smack your head and die?? Sounds like justification enough to me... Sure it'll be the other person's fault... But that's not going to help you if you're dead! And this happened just a couple of years ago on the ski fields with that German politician.

And car seats?? Seat belts???

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Yes, there is. Try grinding up a steep mountain pass on a hot day all itchy and sweaty under one of those helmets instead of bare-headed or wearing a light cap. Bike helmets, Ski Helmets, Ski body armour, Car seats, Mineral water. It's more about marketing and making money than about saving lives.
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There is no justification, absolutely none, for not wearing a helmet.
Yes, there is. Try grinding up a steep mountain pass on a hot day all itchy and sweaty under one of those helmets instead of bare-headed or wearing a light cap. Bike helmets, Ski Helmets, Ski body armour, Car seats, Mineral water. It's more about marketing and making money than about saving lives.
Although I don't agree with your specific justification that it is all about marketing and not safety, to say that there is absolutely no justification not to wear a helmet is also incorrect.

You can justify anything and everything you want in life - it really just depends what your priorities are.
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Re: Bicycle helmets- yes or no?

when I began cycling again about 20 years ago* I didn't wear a helmet.. then one day I found myself freewheeling down a rather large hill, passing a pick-up truck on the inside... and it was about this same time I noticed the sand patch dead ahead.

I was fine, had a bit of a wobbly but I bought a helmet that same aftn.







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And someone flying DOWN the path hits you and you go down and smack your head and die?? Sounds like justification enough to me... Sure it'll be the other person's fault... But that's not going to help you if you're dead! And this happened just a couple of years ago on the ski fields with that German politician.

And car seats?? Seat belts???

Sounds like you're trolling here...
I'm not trolling, just being a bit of a sceptic. We all have our "if " stories. Seatbelts? Here's one: Years ago my uncle suffered a major accident in his little Beetle. His fault entirely. The story goes he lost control of the car and rolled it. He was ejected through the sunroof and landed in a bush, broke his collarbone, and his car was pretty much flattened. His seatbelt saved him. It was one of those old Beetle types that spanned your chest but not your waist, so he somehow spiralled out the thing.

You make a good point, someone flying down the path and smacks you. This is the whole problem. All the protection gear that is available now, especially in skiing, is a problem. It causes recklessness. I think there are even swiss stats to show this. I remember reading a report a couple of years back. My kids wear helmets because I'm scared of that reckless f%&!er in helmet and bodyarmour blitzing down the hill on a bike, on skiis or on a snowboard because he feels safe.

Call me old school but I kind of miss the days of bouncing around like Smarties on the back seat of my parent's car listening to Neil Diamond. Now we have to worry about the other guy in racing seat and roll bar.
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We all have our "if " stories.
Indeed - my uncle's 102 and been smoking 20 a day since he was 14 - just shows that smoking is perfectly safe.

"What ifs" and counter "what ifs" are irrelevant. It's population statistics that matter...

And by the way, studies published on the topic (which I've quoted on similar thread) show that safety equipment does not make skiers more reckless - the data if anything, are unclear on this topic.

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Yes, there is. Try grinding up a steep mountain pass on a hot day all itchy and sweaty under one of those helmets instead of bare-headed or wearing a light cap. Bike helmets, Ski Helmets, Ski body armour, Car seats, Mineral water. It's more about marketing and making money than about saving lives.

It depends on the helmet.
My *new* helmet (2010 model) is much more comfortable to wear than the 2005 model I retired last week.
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Re: Bicycle helmets- yes or no?

I've seen some comparisons with Holland and here. I think people here need more helmets then there. Having lived in Amsterdam for a long time and driven cars (big cars), I have hardly ever had an encounter with a cyclist. But here, within a year I had 2 near accidents in my car with cyclists.

Some people here just don't know how to cycle it seems? In Amsterdam a cyclist needs much less space as it cycles straight (except tourists who therefore cycle bright coloured bikes), here they don't. Also if a road is curvy, they don;t go with the curves, a month ago in ZRH there was this guy a passed, and while I passed the road curved around a tramstop, I had to move to the right, where also the raod did that, he just rode straight meaning I almost hit him. In Amsterdam that never happens, as cyclist seem suicidal, but nevertheless anticipate much more.
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And by the way, studies published on the topic (which I've quoted on similar thread) show that safety equipment does not make skiers more reckless - the data if anything, are unclear on this topic.
Read here, quite interesting stuff: http://www.ishn.com/Articles/Behavio...00f932a8c0____
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I'm not trolling, just being a bit of a sceptic. We all have our "if " stories. Seatbelts? Here's one: Years ago my uncle suffered a major accident in his little Beetle. His fault entirely. The story goes he lost control of the car and rolled it. He was ejected through the sunroof and landed in a bush, broke his collarbone, and his car was pretty much flattened. His seatbelt saved him. It was one of those old Beetle types that spanned your chest but not your waist, so he somehow spiralled out the thing.
Here's another one. In the early 70s some young friends of mine out for the day in a Jaguar took a bend too fast and bounced along the grass verge. The back door popped open and the husband of the one of the women in the car fell out.

He way crushed by the car and died of multiple injuries at the scene. His wife had a breakdown within months and never really recovered. The dead man's brother was driving and also had mental problems after the accident.

There were no seat belts in the back of the car...
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And by the way, studies published on the topic (which I've quoted on similar thread) show that safety equipment does not make skiers more reckless - the data if anything, are unclear on this topic.
You're standing at the top your driveway about to hop onto your skateboard and you're wearing:
A. A pair of shorts, a t-shirt, and barefoot
B. Jeans, chunky shoes, thick jacket, gloves, shoulder, knee, elbow pads, and helmet

Same reckless feeling?
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Re: Bicycle helmets- yes or no?

I can't say that I notice any heat under a modern helmet, even riding up the Flüela in summer. But I've been wearing a helmet since the original V1-Pro back in the early 80s. Can't ride without one now. I work in the trauma field and I see too many compelling reasons not to ride without one.
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It depends on the helmet.
My *new* helmet (2010 model) is much more comfortable to wear than the 2005 model I retired last week.
Not to mention that the recent models have much better visibility for the wearer. The older ones used to cause accidents due to restricted vision in numbers high enough to be statistically significant.

As to being reckless,...
I like the fact that I am less likely to be killed by someone else who is being an idiot. Especially when skiing. One does get used to the new helmets very quickly.
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