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Old 25.05.2011, 20:20
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The Ash cloud -who do we believe?

BA Ryan Air and other insist the authorities are wrong to close airspace. The authorities argue they maintain the safety levels. Who do you trust. A company with a balance sheet to protect or an authority looking out only for the safety of the people travelling?
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Old 25.05.2011, 20:22
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BA Ryan Air and other insist the authorities are wrong to close airspace. The authorities argue they maintain the safety levels. Who do you trust. A company with a balance sheet to protect or an authority looking out only for the safety of the people travelling?
Tough one - even if that were the only motive of the authorities
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Old 25.05.2011, 20:29
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Re: The Ash cloud -who do we believe?

From what I read Ryan Air said they flew through the red zone to test any damage to the aircraft. Later the "authorities" said Ryan Air flew no where near the red zone and called out Ryan Air on their bluff. This is an easy choice on who to trust here......this time.
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Old 25.05.2011, 20:55
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Re: The Ash cloud -who do we believe?

Basically I wouldn't believe anything that Ryanair says, especially if it came from that arrogant little **** O'Leary. Nor do I have much confidence in BA these days.

The fact of he matter is that volcanic ash can seriously damage the engines of an airliner. Admittedly the ash coverage is only an esitmate by the meteorologists, and the exact density at which an ash cloud can damage an airliner is only, again, an estimate. Nevertheless as a hater of flying if I was due to fly then any excuse to ground aircraft is good by me.
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Old 25.05.2011, 21:05
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Re: The Ash cloud -who do we believe?

I agree with all of the above comments, but I guess it still comes down to the original question ... who can one really believe?
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Old 25.05.2011, 21:06
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I still blame Begga
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Old 25.05.2011, 21:09
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Re: The Ash cloud -who do we believe?

I was boycotting Ryanair long before this, this stance is unlikely to win me back *waits for "like they care"*...
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Old 25.05.2011, 21:15
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Re: The Ash cloud -who do we believe?

Well to condense that. What is one plane down on the o leary balance sheet? And therefore what is more important ?
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Old 25.05.2011, 21:22
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I was boycotting Ryanair long before this, this stance is unlikely to win me back *waits for "like they care"*...
he he - I would love to boycot them too. However, in the grand scheme of things, they are able to offer me the cheapest flights to where I want to go at the moment (you have to pick your dates carefully when they do not levy tax) and I just put up with all the crap that comes with them ...
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Old 25.05.2011, 21:26
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Well to condense that. What is one plane down on the o leary balance sheet? And therefore what is more important ?
80 million dollars. Keeping in mind that airlines have relatively low margins, you could imagine that flying in risky conditions isn't really worthwhile for them.

Most likely, it's just O'Leary blowing off some steam; he seems to have a serious need for that.
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Old 25.05.2011, 21:33
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Apologies in advance for being Off Topic but does anyone know a place in Basel where I can get my car waxed and polished which won't cost me a fortune?

On topic - The idea is great but I would stay away from just catering to the expat crowd because it will limit your clients. Frankly the locals would be more open to paying for this type of service. Only because the Swiss like to keep their cars in shape and have no problem dishing out the dough to do it.
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Old 25.05.2011, 21:34
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Apologies in advance for being Off Topic but does anyone know a place in Basel where I can get my car waxed and polished which won't cost me a fortune?

On topic - The idea is great but I would stay away from just catering to the expat crowd because it will limit your clients. Frankly the locals would be more open to paying for this type of service. Only because the Swiss like to keep their cars in shape and have no problem dishing out the dough to do it.
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Old 25.05.2011, 21:43
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Old 25.05.2011, 21:48
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Old 25.05.2011, 22:30
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Re: The Ash cloud -who do we believe?

I'd rather be safe than sorry. Never flown RyanAir, never will, and wouldn't trust anything they say regarding safety. Anyone more credible saying it's OK to fly?
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Old 25.05.2011, 22:55
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Well the eruption has pretty well stopped anyway so the question will once again be academic in a couple of days.
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From what I read Ryan Air said they flew through the red zone to test any damage to the aircraft. Later the "authorities" said Ryan Air flew no where near the red zone and called out Ryan Air on their bluff.
Had Ryan Air truly flown through the red zone the passengers surely would have been subjected to a "Red Zone" surcharge for the flight.
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Old 26.05.2011, 06:11
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Re: The Ash cloud -who do we believe?

Well, my airline.....

Red is definitely a no go (insurance purposes also as well as aircraft damage)

Grey zone, medium concentration - with authorisation from management is possible

Blue zone, low concentration - no problem

Today should be no problems as only parts of Germany and Poland are covered with low concentration areas......
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Old 26.05.2011, 07:33
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Well, my airline.....

Red is definitely a no go (insurance purposes also as well as aircraft damage)

Grey zone, medium concentration - with authorisation from management is possible

Blue zone, low concentration - no problem

Today should be no problems as only parts of Germany and Poland are covered with low concentration areas......
So its a management call not an authority?
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Old 26.05.2011, 09:58
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Re: The Ash cloud -who do we believe?

I have no idea who to trust.

After I read the regular headlines in the 20 Minutes *PANIC PANIC DRESDEN AIRPORT CLOSED PANIC PANIC* (why do I even still read the 20 Min is beyond me ), I did kinda panic because I am flying to Dresden tomorrow, and a brother in law wedding is something you cannot cancel because of a freaking cloud.

Called Air Berlin and their answer, in complete astonishment: "but Dresden Airport is working 100% There have been no flights canceled. Everything is scheduled and working. Who said our airport had a problem again?".

I even start thinking the whole volcano is a lie
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