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Old 01.06.2011, 15:03
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Bad motorcycle accident yesterday

near Splugen, several Brits killed.

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Old 01.06.2011, 15:06
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Re: Bad motorcycle accident yesterday

how could they collide with someone coming the other way on a motorway??
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Old 01.06.2011, 15:07
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Re: Bad motorcycle accident yesterday

Heard it on the radio this morning, terrible. I love motorcycles, but having a best friend who walks around on one leg and a connect-the-dots game of scars across the rest of him cured me of getting one. Be safe, bikers.
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Old 01.06.2011, 15:08
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how could they collide with someone coming the other way on a motorway??
That section is two lanes (one each way), with no divider, 100kph limit (you can see it in some of the pictures in the Italian article, plus I know the road well)

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Old 01.06.2011, 15:10
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Re: Bad motorcycle accident yesterday

I also heard it on the radio this morning - and my first thought was the thread here from a guy living in Vaud (somewhere) - him complaining about motorbike noise and some of the silly comments* made on that thread


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Re: Bad motorcycle accident yesterday

feck, some of those pictures are pretty shocking
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Old 01.06.2011, 15:15
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feck, some of those pictures are pretty shocking
Carnage is the word that springs to mind.
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Old 01.06.2011, 15:18
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Re: Bad motorcycle accident yesterday

the green bike looks like it was a fairly new ZX9R. It's pretty much in two. Mind you, there are bits of bike everywhere.

I can only assume it was a bad overtake - that's a fairly straight bit of the A13 with good visibility.

Shame to go that way
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Old 01.06.2011, 15:24
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I can only assume it was a bad overtake - that's a fairly straight bit of the A13 with good visibility.
That's what I was thinking as well.

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Old 01.06.2011, 15:44
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Re: Bad motorcycle accident yesterday

Yep - that is the straight bit that is one of the few overtaking spots (apart from dual and 3-lane) sections on that section.

A brutal lesson to be learned.
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Old 01.06.2011, 15:51
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The "guard" rails in those pics are one of the reasons I gave up riding. Unfortunately you see them all over Europe, with the vertical support posts, 50 cm high, spaced perfectly to catch a sliding bike and rip it and rider in half...
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Old 01.06.2011, 15:56
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how could they collide with someone coming the other way on a motorway??
This is one of the stretches of motorways in CH that are not actually dual carriageway and it's something that's actually bothered me a few times. In a few places, when there's no other traffic, it seems to be quite easy for you to forget that the lane on the left is actually for oncoming traffic and not your "spare" lane for overtaking.

I was on this stretch of road last year and saw a car pull onto the road from a service station in front of me, he clearly assumed it was a dual carriageway motorway and pulled out to overtake a bus in front only to be faced by a massive truck bearing down on him.

Another time I was pulling 2 horses in our trailer on a single carriageway autobahn near St Gallen. A Dutch plated car was entering the motorway from a slip road coming towards me, he didn't see me as he was looking in his wing mirror to see if it was safe to overtake a truck already on the motorway. As I was towing there was very little I could do to move out of the way, luckily he saw me at the last minute and managed to swerve back in, although our wing mirrors almost kissed.

I'm not saying this was the case here, but for someone not used to driving on a single carriageway motorway (and it seems they were all non-Swiss), it's certainly something that the police may be considering.
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Old 01.06.2011, 15:57
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The "guard" rails in those pics are one of the reasons I gave up riding. Unfortunately you see them all over Europe, with the vertical support posts, 50 cm high, spaced perfectly to catch a sliding bike and rip it and rider in half...
A friend of mine went off the road up in the mountains near Fleurier, no rail, just a steep incline- went down about 50 feet and came out bruised and scratched. Wouldn't have made it if there was a rail. He's got 9 lives though, for sure.

He's from Japan, and was borrowing a bike and riding with a friend from here; he usually avoids riding here as he said it's too easy to get in a zone and drift to the left lane. These were Brit riders (and a German), I wonder if there was a mental slip up over the lanes?
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Old 01.06.2011, 15:58
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The "guard" rails in those pics are one of the reasons I gave up riding. Unfortunately you see them all over Europe, with the vertical support posts, 50 cm high, spaced perfectly to catch a sliding bike and rip it and rider in half...
Two of the Britons, aged 50 and 56 died of their injuries on the spot,and I hate to bring this up but in my limited experience* EMT's do not declare death unless it's blatantly obvious


*limited experience = a couple of friends who are EMT's and a couple of long distance bicycle rides with a group of MD's
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The "guard" rails in those pics are one of the reasons I gave up riding. Unfortunately you see them all over Europe, with the vertical support posts, 50 cm high, spaced perfectly to catch a sliding bike and rip it and rider in half...
That does look to be the reason for so much damage.
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Two of the Britons, aged 50 and 56 died of their injuries on the spot,and I hate to bring this up but in my limited experience* EMT's do not declare death unless it's blatantly obvious


*limited experience = a couple of friends who are EMT's and a couple of long distance bicycle rides with a group of MD's
Unless, of course, there were mobile Drs on the scene. Although I'm not quite sure what point you are making.
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Unless, of course, there were mobile Drs on the scene. Although I'm not quite sure what point you are making.
I'm afraid the not very politically correct point that in this case those safety guardrails prevented these gentlemen from having an open casket.(when the time comes )


perhaps there were mobile doc's on the scene.. Thankfully I'm not familiar enough with Swiss emergency procedures to comment on that, but if there were not doc, these gentlemen must have been pretty messed up for EMT's to declare.

Once again, I shouldnt have mentioned in the first place.. not my family, I was not on scene.

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This is one of the stretches of motorways in CH that are not actually dual carriageway and it's something that's actually bothered me a few times. In a few places, when there's no other traffic, it seems to be quite easy for you to forget that the lane on the left is actually for oncoming traffic and not your "spare" lane for overtaking.
If you look at the second picture here http://www.20min.ch/news/ostschweiz/story/13549823 , you'll see that the Kantonsstraße is directly parrallel to the motorway there, which make's grumpy's theory quite plausible.
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Re: Bad motorcycle accident yesterday

So sad, in the swissinfo link above almost all the comments are from family of those involved, must be horrible to be so far away and reading about this online unable to do anything .
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If you look at the second picture here http://www.20min.ch/news/ostschweiz/story/13549823 , you'll see that the Kantonsstraße is directly parrallel to the motorway there, which make's grumpy's theory quite plausible.
I have always wondered why they don't convert it into dual carriageway using the cantonal road. That section is also quite away southbound - and it would be easy to get annoyed if stuck behind slower traffic.

The other thing about the German heading southbound is that he shouldn't have been confused by the Kantonalroad. - The Kanton road is on the right when heading south (IE the West side)
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