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Old 02.09.2011, 18:50
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Re: Another pesky ('moderate') speeding penalty. What to expect?

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Indeed.



And, of course, such figures do not take into account effects such as night myopia, loss of speed discrimination and other aspects of loss of visual accuity that can be caused by the lower light levels in tunnels.
Or the car your driving, many modern cars stop far quicker, with drum brakes all round it's a different story.
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Old 02.09.2011, 18:56
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Re: Another pesky ('moderate') speeding penalty. What to expect?

i read somewhere how to lie with statistics, especially with driving.. so here it goes (actually i dont remember the correct % ..but the idea is the same)

statistics shows the more time you spend on the street driving, the more is the chance you will be involved in a accident. So is safer to drive faster and spend lest time on the street

also shows that are 30% of the accidents are because of drunk driving, leaving the 70% for sober people. Now you know is safer to drive drunk (this is a joke. dont do it)

If you put this 2 facts together, you get that is safer to drive fast and drunk.. you have less posibilitys of getting involved in a accident

(there is also another fact for travel in a plane.. carry your own bomb... the possibilities of having 2 bombs in a plane are close to cero.. so you will be safe carrying the only bomb)

be safe out there people
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Old 02.09.2011, 19:03
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In our neck of the woods, the Wollerau tunnel is 80Km/h south-bound and 100Km/h North-bound. The South-bound carriage way has a sharp exit from the motorway directly after the tunnel.
A timely reminder that for every rule, there's always an exception. The Wollerau tunnel is the driving equivalent of an irregular verb
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Old 02.09.2011, 19:20
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because it's a tunnel? What's the safety risk?
Inside a tunnel you have no shoulder, and accidents are far more dangerous. In case of an actual serious collision where a car catches fire there's no way to get away from the fumes, smoke, CO2, etc. On top of that, in case of a large vehicle accident which catches fire, there's a risk of pieces of the concrete lining the tunnel (the ones not protected by fire-resistant concrete or fire-resistant plates, which are typically only on the ceiling) flying in all directions, almost like bullets. These mini-explosions caused by the water still trapped in the concrete suddenly vaporizing and increasing the pressure can be extremely dangerous. In those cases where the tunnel is not protected against fire, this uncontrolled concrete spalling can cause the tunnel to lose structural integrity and fall.

Yeah...kindda dangerous.
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Or the car your driving, many modern cars stop far quicker, with drum brakes all round it's a different story.
Yes, and also a different story depending on the state of the tyres, typre pressures, and the state of the road surface, etc etc... All of which only come into effect once one's got to the end of one's thinking time, which may be significantly more than shown on the chart.

Tho' not for me, of course, I'm a brilliant driver and have never had an accident. (Seen lots of them in my rear-view mirror, strangely enough )
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Old 02.09.2011, 19:31
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Re: Another pesky ('moderate') speeding penalty. What to expect?

Tunnels can also act as a chimney, producing intensely hot, roaring fires. Think "blast furnace".
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Old 02.09.2011, 19:58
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Tunnels can also act as a chimney, producing intensely hot, roaring fires. Think "blast furnace".
All this discussion sounds like an argument to ban tunnels
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Old 02.09.2011, 20:03
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Re: Another pesky ('moderate') speeding penalty. What to expect?

In the past 10 years there have been several very serious fires in tunnels: Mont Blanc Tunnel, Gotthard Tunnel, Brienzer Tunnel.

They are a bit safer now after the regulations were changed, but they are still dangerous.
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An accident in a tunnel is more serious than one out of it.

A reduced speed limit reduces the risk of a massive multiple-car pile up as braking distances to stop are reduced at a lower speed.

Makes sense to me.
That's a red herring. How much more likely is it that an accident will occur in a tunnel than it is of occuring outside of a tunnel?

Right then. So if the excuse is that a slower speed limit reduces breaking distances, then the speed limit in the ganzen Schweiz should be reduced to 80.

Either way my arguement still stands that the speed limit should be consistent (on an Autobahn) rather than "speed up, slow down, speed up, slow down, speed up, slow down."
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That's a red herring. How much more likely is it that an accident will occur in a tunnel than it is of occuring outside of a tunnel?

Right then. So if the excuse is that a slower speed limit reduces breaking distances, then the speed limit in the ganzen Schweiz should be reduced to 80.

Either way my arguement still stands that the speed limit should be consistent (on an Autobahn) rather than "speed up, slow down, speed up, slow down, speed up, slow down."
If tunnels are dangerous
& you have a lower speed limit in a tunnel
Then you will spend more time in this (dangerous) tunnel

Does not make sense to me
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I have a question about the speeding ticket, my mother was visiting in July and she got a ticket while driving our car, we did not know until we got the ticket from Zurich, it was a 40 CHF fine as she was going 57 in a 50 zone. My husband just paid it since it was not a significative fine, I understand this is quite different from going 122 at an 80 zone but would be be banned from driving if he gets another fine???
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I have a question about the speeding ticket, my mother was visiting in July and she got a ticket while driving our car, we did not know until we got the ticket from Zurich, it was a 40 CHF fine as she was going 57 in a 50 zone. My husband just paid it since it was not a significative fine, I understand this is quite different from going 122 at an 80 zone but would be be banned from driving if he gets another fine???
Given that my boss (well, mainly his missus) was collecting those CHF 40 fines like they were going out of fashion, it takes a fair few until they take away your licence. They never took his away.

However, if you are caught for one whopping driving offence after that, they can take your licence away citing the fact you are a repeat offender.

I wouldn't worry too much about your hubby's recent fine.
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It was a 40 CHF fine as she was going 57 in a 50 zone. My husband just paid it, but would he be banned from driving if he gets another fine???
No, because the fine was paid anonymously. He wasn't asked to complete a form about the driver, or was he?
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No, because the fine was paid anonymously. He wasn't asked to complete a form about the driver, or was he?
Actually there was a sort of questionnary he had to fill but only if he wanted to contest it, meaning if he wanted to prove it was not him...does that make sense??
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Old 02.09.2011, 23:32
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I've prepared myself for the worse... A fine possibly reaching the dizzy heights of a couple of thousand and the possibility of a driving ban for 1 month.
If it was an Autobahn you should get away with a fine and a warning for going 27 over the limit. If it was an Autostrasse you'll probably get a fine plus a 1 month ban.
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I have a question about the speeding ticket, my mother was visiting in July and she got a ticket while driving our car, we did not know until we got the ticket from Zurich, it was a 40 CHF fine as she was going 57 in a 50 zone. My husband just paid it since it was not a significative fine, I understand this is quite different from going 122 at an 80 zone but would be be banned from driving if he gets another fine???
As I understand it, those standard money fines do not go on your record, just paid and done. On the back of the page you can name another driver, or dispute the infraction, but you are not required to enter anything and it is a waste of time anyway.

Only for the heavier offenses are you given a chance of a defense and a judge makes the penalty decision, does it go on your record and may be cumulative.
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As I understand it, those standard money fines do not go on your record, just paid and done. On the back of the page you can name another driver, or dispute the infraction, but you are not required to enter anything and it is a waste of time anyway.

Only for the heavier offenses are you given a chance of a defense and a judge makes the penalty decision, does it go on your record and may be cumulative.
You can go to court & dispute any offence, it's likely to cost way more.

To get s criminal record the fine has to exceed 5000 chf, a few days in prison won't show up either.
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Actually there was a sort of questionnary he had to fill but only if he wanted to contest it, meaning if he wanted to prove it was not him...does that make sense??
Traffic offences which are punishable by a fixed fine (i.e. up to CHF 250) are not recorded. Thus there is no limit of how many of them you can get.

Traffic offences will only be in your records, if they are dealt with by court. This would of course be the case, too, if you contested a fixed fine and lost.

recorded are the following:
-speeding fines that are dealt with by court
-dui
-other traffic offences dealt with by court
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If tunnels are dangerous
& you have a lower speed limit in a tunnel
Then you will spend more time in this (dangerous) tunnel

Does not make sense to me

Then it's clear - there should be a minimum speed limit in tunnels - say 200kmh - that'll get you out of the tunnel quickly.
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thanks so much for the answers guys...now you can go on with your tunnel discussions
 

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