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Another pesky ('moderate') speeding penalty. What to expect?

I was recently clocked by a camera doing 113 km/h in an 80 km/h zone. Now, this is an Autobahn, but reduced to 80 due to being a tunnel. It's in the canton of Nidwalden, just outside Luzern. After allowances for inaccuracies, it comes down to 27 km/h over the limit. I still have a UK drivers license i.e. not under Swiss jurisdiction.

When issued the penalty by post, I was requested to fill out some information and return within 10 days. This information is basically to admit that I was the driver and to give names of my wife and relatives as well as my current address.

Having posted it, I thought "What should I expect now?" so I called up the Cantonal Polizei to ask them. They told me it's gone to a local minister (I assume they meant judge) and he or she will decide on what the penalty should be.

I've prepared myself for the worse... A fine possibly reaching the dizzy heights of a couple of thousand and the possibility of a driving ban for 1 month. Is this a realistic expectation?
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Old 02.06.2011, 18:21
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.. A fine possibly reaching the dizzy heights of a couple of thousand and the possibility of a driving ban for 1 month. Is this a realistic expectation?
Yes. It is realistic.
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Old 02.06.2011, 19:12
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I've prepared myself for the worse... A fine possibly reaching the dizzy heights of a couple of thousand and the possibility of a driving ban for 1 month. Is this a realistic expectation?
Depends if you admitted to being the driver
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I was recently clocked by a camera doing 113 km/h in an 80 km/h zone. Now, this is an Autobahn, but reduced to 80 due to being a tunnel. It's in the canton of Nidwalden, just outside Luzern. After allowances for inaccuracies, it comes down to 27 km/h over the limit. I still have a UK drivers license i.e. not under Swiss jurisdiction.

When issued the penalty by post, I was requested to fill out some information and return within 10 days. This information is basically to admit that I was the driver and to give names of my wife and relatives as well as my current address.

Having posted it, I thought "What should I expect now?" so I called up the Cantonal Polizei to ask them. They told me it's gone to a local minister (I assume they meant judge) and he or she will decide on what the penalty should be.

I've prepared myself for the worse... A fine possibly reaching the dizzy heights of a couple of thousand and the possibility of a driving ban for 1 month. Is this a realistic expectation?
How long have you been in Switzerland? If you've been here more than 12 months without changing your licence over it could open a whole can of worms as a side issue to the speeding fine.
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Re: Another pesky ('moderate') speeding penalty. What to expect?

Only four months now and yes, I have pretty much admitted to being the driver :-)
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make plans for a long holiday in August.
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make plans for a long holiday in August.
Am I missing something?
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Old 02.06.2011, 23:03
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Am I missing something?
The inference is that you will lose your license for a period of time.

However, back in the late '90s, I was done for 122 in an 80 zone (but it WAS on the highway, just in a reduced speed zone), but in another canton. The other canton can fine you, but your residential canton decides if you get a ban or other fine. The canton in question gave me a CHF 400 fine, my home canton gave me a CHF 35 fine, and no ban.

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Am I missing something?
You know you are facing a 30 day driving ban, so be prepared to stop driving somewhere end of July to end of September. I believe you can still choose the dates within a given period.
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Old 02.06.2011, 23:38
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I've prepared myself for the worse... A fine possibly reaching the dizzy heights of a couple of thousand and the possibility of a driving ban for 1 month. Is this a realistic expectation?
As far as I know, this information is still current. You will probably be a pedestrian for a month, but your fine should still be under 1000CHF inc. court costs. (but not including the costs administered by your local canton regarding licence cancellation/re-issue).
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Re: Another pesky ('moderate') speeding penalty. What to expect?

Jason, I have just been caught at 120km in an 80km on the autobahn as the speed limit changed and I wasnt aware of it ( Im worried, can you tell me what happened to you. Mine was on the way to Basel in Solotern.
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Re: Another pesky ('moderate') speeding penalty. What to expect?

An interesting article in the paper today...

Now apart from the graph being a bit funny, (its not like i'm a staststata... math nut or anything) the rest is.. interesting.

This can be today German reading exercise for those who have the inclination..

160 deaths in 6 months.

Numbers have gone down over the years, i assume due to safer cars and systems.. but hey - some pesky things really are rather avoidable.

Years ago I did a project at school on this subject.
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Re: Another pesky ('moderate') speeding penalty. What to expect?

I find the idea of reducing speed limts to 80k for tunnels a bit silly myself. it always causes a traffic jam and for what? because it's a tunnel? What's the safety risk?

Not allowing traffic to maintain a constant speed of 120 is the biggest risk to safety imho.
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I find the idea of reducing speed limts to 80k for tunnels a bit silly myself. it always causes a traffic jam and for what? because it's a tunnel? What's the safety risk?

Not allowing traffic to maintain a constant speed of 120 is the biggest risk to safety imho.
My thoughts exactly, constant speed increases flow on the roads, reduced pollution, fuel consumption and chances of accidents.....Swiss doesn't seem to get it yet with all their stats or they just intend to do it to make more money
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I find the idea of reducing speed limts to 80k for tunnels a bit silly myself. it always causes a traffic jam and for what? because it's a tunnel? What's the safety risk?

Not allowing traffic to maintain a constant speed of 120 is the biggest risk to safety imho.
An accident in a tunnel is more serious than one out of it.

A reduced speed limit reduces the risk of a massive multiple-car pile up as braking distances to stop are reduced at a lower speed.

Makes sense to me.
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Re: Another pesky ('moderate') speeding penalty. What to expect?

...plus the eye adjustment from light to dark, dark to light.
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Re: Another pesky ('moderate') speeding penalty. What to expect?

Where I live you never get 120 to 80 for no reason in a tunnel. 120 to 100 is the standard you get all over Switzerland. I've only seen 120 to 80 when there's road works either side of the tunnel or an accident.

100 is fast enough for me in tunnels and apparently most VD plates. VS and FR plates round up to 110 in my experience.

In Vaud 100+ in a restricted 80 on the motorway would get a suspension of licence. They publish the number of suspended licences on the roadworks between Montreux and Lausanne on the A9.
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Where I live you never get 120 to 80 for no reason in a tunnel. 120 to 100 is the standard you get all over Switzerland. I've only seen 120 to 80 when there's road works either side of the tunnel or an accident.
In our neck of the woods, the Wollerau tunnel is 80Km/h south-bound and 100Km/h North-bound.

The South-bound carriage way has a sharp exit from the motorway directly after the tunnel.
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Re: Another pesky ('moderate') speeding penalty. What to expect?

Still want to know what happened????
Usually can pick when to do the ban .....
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A reduced speed limit reduces the risk of a massive multiple-car pile up as braking distances to stop are reduced at a lower speed.

Makes sense to me.
Indeed.



And, of course, such figures do not take into account effects such as night myopia, loss of speed discrimination and other aspects of loss of visual accuity that can be caused by the lower light levels in tunnels.

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