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Old 10.06.2011, 14:11
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They were designed with the average Swiss car in mind. i.e. Audio RS4 or BMW Mwhatever.
I will start saving my rappen.

Currently I have no car with more than 300 hp
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Old 10.06.2011, 14:13
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About "As you start down the slip road you can easily see the speed and density of traffic" - this is an assumption that all slip roads are well designed; some of them allow you little visibility & are too short to let you match your speed reasonably. Examples from my poor memory are
  • the last slip road from Bülach going direction Schaffhausen
  • the slip road from Zürich flughafen in direction Bülach
I for one appraise the speed and density simply by looking directly ahead and seeing the traffic that has passed the end of the sliproad. This gives me an APPROXIMATE measure - as I accelerate along the slip road - that approximation can be updated with additional information of the specific traffic flow about to approach the end of the slip road.

Those who do have problems with this basic part of driving - YOU ARE NOT LOOKING/THINKING FAR ENOUGH AHEAD.
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Old 10.06.2011, 14:15
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If people are struggling with, what is quite a simple action, they shouldn't be allowed on the road - and especially on the motorway.
I think it would just be too impractical to ban the majority of Swiss drivers - and think of all the lost revenue from fines and related business's (businesses? - can never find an apostrophe thread when you need one).

Nah .... just make it scary for the timid ones and scare the crap out of 'em.
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Re: Merging onto a motorway

This has to be one of the worst junctions in Switzerland I've come across. None existant merge lane on to the Autobahn.

Stop at the give way just to the right of the hard shoulder then drag race on to the A1 Autobahn, this is while trying to avoid drivers pulling right to turn off at the next junction.

Plus the retards decided to put up a massive barrier at the junction so you can't see the traffic approaching from the left.

A1 Junction 64 Dreiech - Zurich Ost you have my vote.

http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=A1+Zuri...206.83,,0,4.98
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This has to be one of the worst junctions in Switzerland I've come across. None existant merge lane on to the Autobahn.

Stop at the give way just to the right of the hard shoulder then drag race on to the A1 Autobahn, this is while trying to avoid drivers pulling right to turn off at the next junction.

Plus the retards decided to put up a massive barrier at the junction so you can't see the traffic approaching from the left.

A1 Junction 64 Dreiech - Zurich Ost you have my vote.

http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=A1+Zuri...206.83,,0,4.98
LOL, you need a drag car to safely enter this one!
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I still don't understand how people can get it so wrong - that they either have to stop or use the hard shoulder.

As you start down the slip road you can easily see the speed and density of traffic. As you accelerate up to the speed of the traffic you should be able to use your mirrors - blind-spot checks to identify your most likely entry point - you then match your speed to ensure you enter at that point.

If people are struggling with, what is quite a simple action, they shouldn't be allowed on the road - and especially on the motorway.
"As you start down the slip road you can easily see the speed and density of traffic."

how did you come to this simple conclusion?
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Old 10.06.2011, 15:25
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This has to be one of the worst junctions in Switzerland I've come across. None existant merge lane on to the Autobahn.

Stop at the give way just to the right of the hard shoulder then drag race on to the A1 Autobahn, this is while trying to avoid drivers pulling right to turn off at the next junction.

Plus the retards decided to put up a massive barrier at the junction so you can't see the traffic approaching from the left.

A1 Junction 64 Dreiech - Zurich Ost you have my vote.

http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=A1+Zuri...206.83,,0,4.98
Plus you have to turn your head almost 180 degrees to see the oncoming traffic.
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This has to be one of the worst junctions in Switzerland I've come across. None existant merge lane on to the Autobahn.

Stop at the give way just to the right of the hard shoulder then drag race on to the A1 Autobahn, this is while trying to avoid drivers pulling right to turn off at the next junction.

Plus the retards decided to put up a massive barrier at the junction so you can't see the traffic approaching from the left.

A1 Junction 64 Dreiech - Zurich Ost you have my vote.

http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=A1+Zuri...206.83,,0,4.98
Ah yes, I remember this one...it's like merge or die!
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Old 10.06.2011, 15:32
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I for one appraise the speed and density simply by looking directly ahead and seeing the traffic that has passed the end of the sliproad. This gives me an APPROXIMATE measure - as I accelerate along the slip road - that approximation can be updated with additional information of the specific traffic flow about to approach the end of the slip road.

Those who do have problems with this basic part of driving - YOU ARE NOT LOOKING/THINKING FAR ENOUGH AHEAD.
Ah Ha
Last year at the afore mentioned last Bülach junction.

Drove down the first part of the slip road at night, unlit autobahn was empty.
Got to the part where the slip road runs parallel to the autobahn, still apparently empty. But then before I moved over I realised that the strange optical effect on my left was a large truck with no lights along the side.
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Old 10.06.2011, 15:38
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I for one appraise the speed and density simply by looking directly ahead and seeing the traffic that has passed the end of the sliproad. This gives me an APPROXIMATE measure - as I accelerate along the slip road - that approximation can be updated with additional information of the specific traffic flow about to approach the end of the slip road.

Those who do have problems with this basic part of driving - YOU ARE NOT LOOKING/THINKING FAR ENOUGH AHEAD.
Do I need to facepalm you?

All that doesn't take into account the possibility of human error. Mistakes happen.

I'm not saying I drive onto the hard shoulder everytime I join a motorway - and I doubt anyone else is either.

I can only think of one occasion where this happened: someone in the outside (overtaking) lane decided to cut back in because they were concentrating on what they had just overtaken rather than what was ahead... in this instance, the road where I was going to join was clear... right up to the point where the person in the other car decided to pull in...
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Do I need to facepalm you?

I can only think of one occasion where this happened: someone in the outside (overtaking) lane decided to cut back in because they were concentrating on what they had just overtaken rather than what was ahead... in this instance, the road where I was going to join was clear... right up to the point where the person in the other car decided to pull in...
Yes

I have to disagree with this for the fact that the driver returning from the left lane should have checked the junction + car overtaken before returning to the right hand lane. If you're doing 120kmh and you return to the right it's 2 secs max to pass a slip road, so probably wiser to stay in the left if you're not entirely sure.

Golden rule do not make any move before checking all possible viewpoints for movement and your blind spot.

If in Zurich check under you seat too as there's bound to be a cyclist hiding there.
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wohoo! i survived. not only that, i overtook a ferrari while fully laden. plus i used the size advantage to go right to the front of a traffic jam and then force my way into the lane and skip the jam! nice. i think my next car will be a large beaten up van.
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