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I am considering bringing a car with me (Audi S5) that is available in Switzerland, but it has a different engine. The U.S. spec coupes are a 4.2L V8 that audi uses in other models (which are available in Switzerland).

The Swiss spec S5's use a 3.0L Turbo (which is available only in convertibles in the U.S.).

Is this likely to present any issues when importing? Obviously, lights, orange indicators, etc.. need to be changed. Changing the engine would make it an expensive proposition.

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I am considering bringing a car with me (Audi S5) that is available in Switzerland, but it has a different engine. The U.S. spec coupes are a 4.2L V8 that audi uses in other models (which are available in Switzerland).

The Swiss spec S5's use a 3.0L Turbo (which is available only in convertibles in the U.S.).

Is this likely to present any issues when importing? Obviously, lights, orange indicators, etc.. need to be changed. Changing the engine would make it an expensive proposition.

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If the EXACT model is not available here, then you are in for BIG (multi 1000) costs.

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Re: Importing car model available in Switzerland, but dif engine

Well shucks!


Thanks for the quick response.
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Re: Importing car model available in Switzerland, but dif engine

Not only importing will cost lots of cash but road taxes will not be fun on an engine that size I imagine. Car taxes are based on engine size. The larger the engine the higher the taxes.
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Re: Importing car model available in Switzerland, but dif engine

Audi used to have the 4.2 V8 in the S4 here, before moving to the 3 liter V6. Might even have been in the first S5s as well. That might help. Therefore also make sure you compare the right year of the car.

Otherwise just get the RS5 as that is the V8.

Or be a little less Swiss and don't get an Audi
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I am considering bringing a car with me (Audi S5) that is available in Switzerland, but it has a different engine. The U.S. spec coupes are a 4.2L V8 that audi uses in other models (which are available in Switzerland).

The Swiss spec S5's use a 3.0L Turbo (which is available only in convertibles in the U.S.).
Careful... the S5 Convertible (Cabrio) and the S5 Sportback have the 3.0L engine, but the S5 Coupé has the 4.2L engine.
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Not only importing will cost lots of cash but road taxes will not be fun on an engine that size I imagine. Car taxes are based on engine size. The larger the engine the higher the taxes.
Road taxes aren't that material in the grand scheme of things. In Zug I don't think I paid more than 900 a year with a 6.5l V12
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Road taxes aren't that material in the grand scheme of things. In Zug I don't think I paid more than 900 a year with a 6.5l V12
Agreed - In Zürich it's CHF 655 for our 3.6l. For a 4.2l it's CHF 750. Your SV would have cost CHF 1142 here.
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Re: Importing car model available in Switzerland, but dif engine

my 2004 s4 4.2 l is 885 chf here in FR.
the constant filling up does get old quick tho
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Re: Importing car model available in Switzerland, but dif engine

It depends a lot on the canton. In Graubünden which is the most expensive canton AFAIK I pay more than 700 a year for a 2.5 liter turbo.

...but it still beats having a ZH plate on the car.

AFAIK there are also some cantons who use other factors than engine displacement to calculate taxes. (e.g. weight, engine power, etc.)
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Re: Importing car model available in Switzerland, but dif engine

Some cantons (Bern and Fribourg) charge road tax on the weight of the car.

Back on topic: in Spring 1990 I imported a Fiat Uno with a 60 hp engine from Germany (1984 model, no catalysator fitted). Only the 45 hp and the 75 hp engines had been previously imported. We checked through a "Book of approved engine types" and no similar engine had been used in any other car (Lancia, Simca, Renault, etc)

I was required to supply the manufacturer's specifications for the emissions test. My Swiss garage wrote to FIAT in Turin Italy, and a week late I had the specifications. The garage could now issue me with a certificate of pollution. I went back to the testing station in Fribourg, showed them the letter from FIAT and my new pollution certificate and the car was imported at no great cost.

Advice: ask the car manufacturer for the engine pollution specifications: how much CO2, NO and CO the car emits from the catalysator and you will be OK, obviously Audi HQ at Ingolstadt in Germany will be able to do this.
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Re: Importing car model available in Switzerland, but dif engine

You might want to try speaking to one of the many US car garage & import specialists. They are doing this regularly and can bring yours in for a fee.
A friend used one of these guys somewhere near Baden and recommended it. (can get the name if you want) He was bringing in a VW from Germany which may however have been easier.
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Some cantons (Bern and Fribourg) charge road tax on the weight of the car.

Back on topic: in Spring 1990 I imported a Fiat Uno with a 60 hp engine from Germany (1984 model, no catalysator fitted). Only the 45 hp and the 75 hp engines had been previously imported. We checked through a "Book of approved engine types" and no similar engine had been used in any other car (Lancia, Simca, Renault, etc)

I was required to supply the manufacturer's specifications for the emissions test. My Swiss garage wrote to FIAT in Turin Italy, and a week late I had the specifications. The garage could now issue me with a certificate of pollution. I went back to the testing station in Fribourg, showed them the letter from FIAT and my new pollution certificate and the car was imported at no great cost.

Advice: ask the car manufacturer for the engine pollution specifications: how much CO2, NO and CO the car emits from the catalysator and you will be OK, obviously Audi HQ at Ingolstadt in Germany will be able to do this.

FR charges by the cc of the engine. At least that is what I am paying it on. VD is on HP and weight
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Re: Importing car model available in Switzerland, but dif engine

There is absolutely no point in this, the cars are exactly the same engines. In fact many US versions are detuned compared to their european counter parts, the E36 M3 was a prime example... 240 odd horse in the US 321 in Europe! (not sure if this is the case here but a US spec will defo NOT be higher) Amongst other things, light conversions, and instrument panels with re-calibration would have to be done; Also your resale value will be through the floor due to grey import.

As stated above the coupes (8T3) have 42l v8 354ps. The cabrio (8F7) and fastback 3l supercharged v6 333 ps (8TA) It's not a turbo even tho it says v6T on the side. Both have the same torque figures out the box at 440 Nm.

The 3l super is actually far easier to tune and it is simple to get it to 430hp, with simple remapping, not true of the 4.2, that takes a lot more work!! Both engines sound great, 3l is a bit more fezza like 4.2 barks and growls bit like an ur quatro. 3l is less thirsty even when running 430ps..

Having both of these engines I know a thing or two about them And how to make them even more insane

Let me know if you need any further info...
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Thats what a main dealer may tell you, however their 'value' is identical, I am not saying that there are no fools who will pay a higher price.
It's a little like shopping in media markt where almost everything is a grey import, so what!
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Thats what a main dealer may tell you, however their 'value' is identical, I am not saying that there are no fools who will pay a higher price.
It's a little like shopping in media markt where almost everything is a grey import, so what!
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Sorry I don't agree with you on this, when the marking is on the logbook as an import the dealers will reduce the price based on their system's valuation when you come to trade or sell, also as it is clear on the car's führerausweis private buyers will be inclined to get you to lower your aspirations... there was even a thread on here where someone was trying to sell a motor and they got ripped to shreds when it turned out to be a Canadian import.

It is no different to the jap imports in the UK being worth less or q plated cars.

I totally agree with white goods and electricals, but there seems to be a certain snobbery as far as grey import cars to CH...
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Oh I should add.... I think it's stupid 'tho as the cars are the same thing and have the same actual "worth"!! Crazy!
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Re: Importing car model available in Switzerland, but dif engine

Dealers will always want to pay less, black is so last year, wrong colour lether seats, you name it the car you want to trade in is 'wrong'.
If you have 2 identical cars next to each other at a dealer the cheaper one will sell, OK maybe your right this is Switzerland, OK I know which I would buy!

Q plated cars are a different matter, it would be 'fun' to import one here!

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Sorry I don't agree with you on this, when the marking is on the logbook as an import the dealers will reduce the price based on their system's valuation when you come to trade or sell, also as it is clear on the car's führerausweis private buyers will be inclined to get you to lower your aspirations... there was even a thread on here where someone was trying to sell a motor and they got ripped to shreds when it turned out to be a Canadian import.

It is no different to the jap imports in the UK being worth less or q plated cars.

I totally agree with white goods and electricals, but there seems to be a certain snobbery as far as grey import cars to CH...
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Well, a halfway educated buyer probably knows that the S5 starts at about $53,000 in the US but at about CHF 90,000 in Switzerland and will adjust any offers accordingly. IMHO that's not snobbery, just common sense. Why would someone pay an inflated Swiss price for a car that was originally bought cheaply in the US?
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Well, a halfway educated buyer probably knows that the S5 starts at about $53,000 in the US but at about CHF 90,000 in Switzerland and will adjust any offers accordingly. IMHO that's not snobbery, just common sense. Why would someone pay an inflated Swiss price for a car that was originally bought cheaply in the US?
The bigger question is why a halfway educated buyer would buy the Swiss one in the first place, or buy a 2 year old car for more than a new one!

They both came out of the same factory in Germany. I think this says an awful lot about 'education' aka brainwashing,

So lets assume you buy the US model for half price, will your cost of ownership be more or less than the 'Swiss' buyer after 4 years? If the US one was worth 0chf it would still be a better deal!
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