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Old 04.07.2011, 16:06
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Well, if you plan on going out of the left exit (9 o'clock on a swiss roundabout) you would signal left, exiting right you would signal right and going straight ahead you wouldn't signal until leaving the roundabout. Keeps it nice and clear for everyone else around you. This is the rules in the UK and just makes everything that little bit better. The Swiss system works, just not as well as the UK (and there's not many times I can say that)
You always exit a roundabout on the right.
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Old 04.07.2011, 16:14
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You always exit a roundabout on the right.

Yes, you always exit on the right, but say for instance you are heading North towards the roundabout, and when you exit the roundabout (at the third exit) you will be heading West. You would then signal left, while approaching the roundabout. It's just how it's done in the UK and is a little bit better than not signalling at all.
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Yes, you always exit on the right, but say for instance you are heading North towards the roundabout, and when you exit the roundabout (at the third exit) you will be heading West. You would then signal left, while approaching the roundabout. It's just how it's done in the UK and is a little bit better than not signalling at all.
Ah got it..how about carrying different flags with North, South, East, and West printed on....as clearly, blinkers are very limited and therefore would give you better options in expressing your intended direction.
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Yes, you always exit on the right, but say for instance you are heading North towards the roundabout, and when you exit the roundabout (at the third exit) you will be heading West. You would then signal left, while approaching the roundabout. It's just how it's done in the UK and is a little bit better than not signalling at all.
But wouldn't doing this create confusion in the two lane round about
i.e if the driver is trying to say he is taking the 3rd exit or if he wants to move into the inner lane or something?
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Old 04.07.2011, 16:28
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Well, if you plan on going out of the left exit (9 o'clock) you would signal left, exiting right you would signal right and going straight ahead you wouldn't signal until leaving the roundabout.


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So, if you want to exit by the exit you entered, or if there are more than 3 exits, then what do you do?

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Old 04.07.2011, 16:29
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You always exit a roundabout on the right.
Yes, but which one? Simple, you signal just before it.

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Old 04.07.2011, 16:30
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Yes, you always exit on the right, but say for instance you are heading North towards the roundabout, and when you exit the roundabout (at the third exit) you will be heading West. You would then signal left, while approaching the roundabout. It's just how it's done in the UK and is a little bit better than not signalling at all.
And how do those who don't know where you entered know which exit you are signalling?

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Old 04.07.2011, 16:32
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It was a double laned roundabout and I was on the lane closest to the centre (left hand side). So am I not to blame? I was going straight ahead and on in the left side lane, she was on the right side lane and going left.
Yes. You are at fault.

Outside lane is for turning right and going straight ahead.

Inside lane is for turning "left".

This clearly doesn't apply if there is only 1 entry lane going into the roundabout.

The "no signal on entry and only on exit" does work (and I'm British) - if everyone knows it... and if everyone is in the correct lane...

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And how do those who don't know where you entered know which exit you are signalling?

Tom
The idea is not that everyone is keeping track, rather that you positively state (through signalling) that you are staying on the roundabout. I think the OP has described it badly. If you are not exiting, you indicate left. If you are exiting, you signal right as soon as you have passed the penultimate exit, just as here.
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Old 04.07.2011, 16:48
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If you are not exiting, you indicate left.
Why bother?

If you are not signalling "right" to leave, what else would you be doing except staying in the roundabout?

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Old 04.07.2011, 16:54
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Why bother?

If you are not signalling "right" to leave, what else would you be doing except staying in the roundabout?

Tom
Simply because you do. It is dangerous to assume anything on the road... I guess the rationale is that you are positively reinforcing your actions by signalling intent.

There's no real right or wrong. Just two different systems. The OP got caught short, because he assumed that the rules here are the same as in the UK.
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Old 04.07.2011, 17:21
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Simply because you do. It is dangerous to assume anything on the road... I guess the rationale is that you are positively reinforcing your actions by signalling intent.

There's no real right or wrong. Just two different systems. The OP got caught short, because he assumed that the rules here are the same as in the UK.
I have no problems about the rules regarding signalling here, they do work. I never contested that and signalling wasn't really the issue in my accident, just an observation about roundabouts here. What I would say is that, if I'm on the left hand lane I must go to the third exit, that is fine, I can accept that, even though the road markings state would suggest straight ahead is okay. But, I would say that the other driver was equally at fault being in the right hand lane and taking the third exit.

So, my new gripe is about me just getting a parking ticket, although I have a permit that was clear for all to see in the windscreen, in date and the car was in the allocated area. Been to the police, they said the parking attendant will phone me. My guess is this won't go well for me. Will keep you updated.
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Old 04.07.2011, 17:24
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But, I would say that the other driver was equally at fault being in the right hand lane and taking the third exit.
If that is the case, then yes the other driver is totally at fault - but you need to prove it.

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So, my new gripe is about me just getting a parking ticket, although I have a permit that was clear for all to see in the windscreen, in date and the car was in the allocated area. Been to the police, they said the parking attendant will phone me. My guess is this won't go well for me. Will keep you updated.
LOL (sorry ), but you'll get used to it...
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Simply because you do. It is dangerous to assume anything on the road... I guess the rationale is that you are positively reinforcing your actions by signalling intent.
Sorry, but i have a questions on the British way of driving in the Round About. Consider 2 situations in 2 laned round about
1. The driver wants to take 3rd and so wants to move to inner lane and hence signals left.
2. The driver wants to take 2nd exit and doesn't want to move into the inner lane but since he has to pass 1st exit, he would have to signal left right

So, for outside person both the situations look the same but in one the driver is moving into the inner lane and other the driver wants to continue in the outerlane.

Its confusing a lot but may be because i only started driving 4 months back Thank god i am in switazerland
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Sorry, but i have a questions on the British way of driving in the Round About. Consider 2 situations in 2 laned round about
1. The driver wants to take 3rd and so wants to move to inner lane and hence signals left.
2. The driver wants to take 2nd exit and doesn't want to move into the inner lane but since he has to pass 1st exit, he would have to signal left right

So, for outside person both the situations look the same but in one the driver is moving into the inner lane and other the driver wants to continue in the outerlane.

Its confusing a lot but may be because i only started driving 4 months back Thank god i am in switazerland
<shrug>

Yeah, well, get back to me when you think you've mastered the priority from the right rule.

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Old 04.07.2011, 18:12
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Re: Accident in a hire car

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Situation 2, going straight on, in the UK you don't signal left-right as that's confusing. You only signal left when you're going around the roundabout.

This works much better in my view (with small roundabouts) as oncoming traffic can assume that a car on a roundabout that is not signalling will carry straight on so there is no need to stop (you obviously need to slow down and be ready to stop). Here, a car that's on the roundabout and not signalling is perfectly entitled to come round the roundabout and thus causing you to stop. This is much more annoying when you're on a bike...

As for big roundabouts, I give up. People here (Lausanne) will enter indicating right, stay in the right hand lane all the way, accelerating and still indicating and take the third or even fourth exit... Grrr!
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Re: Accident in a hire car

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Sorry, but i have a questions on the British way of driving in the Round About. Consider 2 situations in 2 laned round about
1. The driver wants to take 3rd and so wants to move to inner lane and hence signals left.
2. The driver wants to take 2nd exit and doesn't want to move into the inner lane but since he has to pass 1st exit, he would have to signal left right

So, for outside person both the situations look the same but in one the driver is moving into the inner lane and other the driver wants to continue in the outerlane.

Its confusing a lot but may be because i only started driving 4 months back Thank god i am in switazerland
You only signal on approach (in UK) if you are intending to take either the furthest left or right turn (or going full circle). Going for any of the intermediate exits (e.g. straight on) doesn't require signaling.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAn...code/DG_070338
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Situation 2, going straight on, in the UK you don't signal left-right as that's confusing. You only signal left when you're going around the roundabout.
My mistake.

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Rule 162: Signals and position, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise.

When taking the first exit
  • signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
  • keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave.

When taking any intermediate exit
  • select the appropriate lane on approach to and on the roundabout, signalling as necessary
  • stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
  • signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.

When taking the last exit or going full circle
  • signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
  • keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
  • signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.
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This works much better in my view (with small roundabouts) as oncoming traffic can assume that a car on a roundabout that is not signalling will carry straight on so there is no need to stop (you obviously need to slow down and be ready to stop). Here, a car that's on the roundabout and not signalling is perfectly entitled to come round the roundabout and thus causing you to stop. This is much more annoying when you're on a bike...
Yein. At least you are still alive by taking the cautious approach.

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As for big roundabouts, I give up. People here (Lausanne) will enter indicating right, stay in the right hand lane all the way, accelerating and still indicating and take the third or even fourth exit... Grrr!
I've seen some pretty shocking driving in the UK on roundabouts too...
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Old 04.07.2011, 18:20
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I have no problems about the rules regarding signalling here, they do work. I never contested that and signalling wasn't really the issue in my accident, just an observation about roundabouts here. What I would say is that, if I'm on the left hand lane I must go to the third exit, that is fine, I can accept that, even though the road markings state would suggest straight ahead is okay. But, I would say that the other driver was equally at fault being in the right hand lane and taking the third exit.
Was this at the roundabouts by the Maladière? Offhand they are the only two-lane roundabouts I can think of in Neuchâtel. They must be a prime location for this kind of accident - they are way too small for the volume of traffic they have to carry, they are too tight to really be able to support two lanes (in fact they were originally only one lane, the second one was added when the authorities realised that people were treating them as though there were two lanes anyway), and a lot of motorists don't respect the destination lane markings painted on the road.
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Re: Accident in a hire car

Oh me too! Don't get me wrong I'm not suggesting that everyone in the UK is a brilliant driver..

For all my frustrations with the way people in Switzerland are taught how to negotiate roundabouts, I've yet to meet anyone coming the other way - which I have seen a couple of times in the UK...
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Re: Accident in a hire car

Problem is the Swiss have only recently got roundabouts and don't know how to use them properly, it took the Brits 50 years!

The idea that the road rules here say you should only indicate when leaving (and some don't bother) is just damn dangerous. Makes you have to second guess what everyone is doing especially when entering and it slows the whole thing down... same as have 1mm slip orads and exits off the freeway, or having the overtaking lane slow to 60kph for a diversion to another route... Basicly, the Swiss CAN'T design anything good in the form of a road merge or junction!!!! grrrrrrr
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