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Does that work if you are not a Swiss resident???
Sadly not, there are some crossed purposes here.
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Well, if he doesn't have the plate, and they gray card is stamped to indicate that it's no longer valid, he does.

So, is they gray card stamped to indicate that it's been de-registered?

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Quick answer to that is I 'm not sure....it does have a stamp on it but its rather faded....

The registration date is 2002.

The stamp is in the Annotation Cantonal section...if that helps any....
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Sadly not, there are some crossed purposes here.
Thats what I thought lol
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Do you have the plate, is the registration stamped to invalidate it?

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I have the plate...not sure about the last bit....what does an invalidated registration document look like?
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Re: Swiss registered bike in France

OK, since you are sure that everything is kosher with the folks who gave you the bike:

The link you found will not help you, as this has info about registering a motor vehicle in Switzerland. You have to be Swiss resident to do that. You need to export the bike, and the info is on this page. You'll need the plates, the permis de circulation, a new expertise, a power of attorney for exportation, and temporary insurance. All formalities have to be completed, in person, at a controle routier counter (in Berne, Butzberg, Orpond or Thun).

Next you have to import the bike to France. At the Swiss customs post, you'l get an export certification, stating the name of the exporter (the seller), the person declaring (you), a description of the merchandise (bike) and its value in CHF. At the French customs point, you'll pay French VAT on that value. There is no import duty if the bike is EU manufactured otherwise that is on top of VAT. The customs will hand you a "Certificat 846". To register the bike in France, your Sous-Prefecture requires that document, the old Swiss permis stamped "invalid", a French insurance document, and the Manufacturers Certificate of Conformity (Attestation de Conformité -the French importer of your bike should be able to provide this), and proof of origin of the vehicle or certificate of sale. Voila - you have a French registered bike! If you don't inted to drive it, you can obviously skip the bit at the Sous-prefecture.
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Buyers should check the dates of the last anti-pollution test, the vehicle's service record and that the seller's identity is the same as on the vehicle's registration papers (permis de circulation). The buyer and seller should (but are not obliged) to sign a contract.
Documents required for registration
Which it isn't
Key word is "should". "Must" would be a different thing.

I bought a motorcycle, the gray card was not in the seller's name, no problem.

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I have the plate...not sure about the last bit....what does an invalidated registration document look like?
If you have the plate, you have a problem.

Either the past owner has been paying insurance and taxes, or he has declared the plate lost or stolen.

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Thanks Tom for your help and the link!
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If you have the plate, you have a problem.

Either the past owner has been paying insurance and taxes, or he has declared the plate lost or stolen.

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Key word is "should". "Must" would be a different thing.

I bought a motorcycle, the gray card was not in the seller's name, no problem.

Tom
Of course not your are Swiss resident, Mr 750 here is not....

You're hair splitting, but glad you've now accepted the "it could be a challenge" as I said 1st up

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If you have the plate, you have a problem.

Either the past owner has been paying insurance and taxes, or he has declared the plate lost or stolen.

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Correction.....I don't have the plate...just the backing plate for the plate.....just went and checked.
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You'll need the plates, the permis de circulation, a new expertise,
Am I missing something here??

I thought having the plates was a bad thing??
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Correction.....I don't have the plate...just the backing plate for the plate.....just went and checked.
OK, then, the cancellation stamp is retangular, about 28x56mm.

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Am I missing something here??

I thought having the plates was a bad thing??
You need the plates if it's still registered, and someone has been paying taxes and insurance. If the registration is canceled, then you don't need the plate and shouldn't even have it.

In Switzerland, you cancel the registration by handing in the plate, and getting the gray card stamped.

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Correction.....I don't have the plate...just the backing plate for the plate.....just went and checked.
Not having the plate does not automatically mean the bike has been de-registered here, but given the authorities would have been chasing the guy whose name is on the paperwork for tax and insurance etc... they maybe dead or have left CH and taken the plate as a souvenir, who knows

It's obviously better for you if the bike is de-registered, so it seems a call to the kantonal office who issued the permit to find out the exact status of the bike is your only option matey.
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Thanks Papa...short and to the point...that what I like
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OK, then, the cancellation stamp is retangular, about 28x56mm.

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I don't think it has that size stamp on it...infact as I have it here in front of me I know it doesn't have that size stamp on it....

So I guess it has never been de-registered...it has no plates and has never been de-registered....

So I guess the original owner must be dead or he has left the country either that or he was abducted by aliens....along with the original plates....
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Not having the plate does not automatically mean the bike has been de-registered here, but given the authorities would have been chasing the guy whose name is on the paperwork for tax and insurance etc... they maybe dead or have left CH and taken the plate as a souvenir, who knows

It's obviously better for you if the bike is de-registered, so it seems a call to the kantonal office who issued the permit to find out the exact status of the bike is your only option matey.
Either that or I use the bike as a donor bike for a French registered basket case!
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Thanks Papa...short and to the point...that what I like
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I don't think it has that size stamp on it...infact as I have it here in front of me I know it doesn't have that size stamp on it....

So I guess it has never been de-registered...it has no plates and has never been de-registered....

So I guess the original owner must be dead or he has left the country either that or he was abducted by aliens....along with the original plates....
They are buggers that aliens

Good luck with your call to the kantonal office, they are sticklers (in Zurich anyway) but I've found them to be really helpful.

As an aside if the costs or hassle for the bike is too much, here is a tale for you. I wrote off an L200 Mitsubishi in France when I lived there, and the scrappies wouldn't take it as it was still on UK plates, so I had to jump through all the the import hoops and get it French registered (165€ it cost me iirc) for them to take a mangled piece of wreckage and drop it in a crusher... or stick some new panels on it and sell it in Poland
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I don't think it has that size stamp on it...infact as I have it here in front of me I know it doesn't have that size stamp on it....

So I guess it has never been de-registered...it has no plates and has never been de-registered....

So I guess the original owner must be dead or he has left the country either that or he was abducted by aliens....along with the original plates....
An invalidated registration looks like this. It Could also be a single red stamp with the letters INVALID, UNGULTIG, ANNULLIERT, ANNULER .



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Papa....I heard rumours you were related to a certain Smurf...
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