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im actually looking at the 124 series also but there arent many available and they want to much for them. Im trying to import my sis old beemer into the country right now (quit hard)
Import it from where? This also can be a can o' worms!!!
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Old 19.07.2011, 19:57
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Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

As the car passed it's MFK just yesterday, say I buy it tomorrow and take it to another MFK test at 56 CHF I should be very confident it will pass it right? No mechanic, garage, 500 CHF worth of engine bay cleaning involved?
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Old 19.07.2011, 20:13
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As the car passed it's MFK just yesterday, say I buy it tomorrow and take it to another MFK test at 56 CHF I should be very confident it will pass it right? No mechanic, garage, 500 CHF worth of engine bay cleaning involved?
Well I'd sure hope so!!! LOL

Is this the car from the garage tho? Are they now selling it with fresh MFK or am I missing something?
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Old 19.07.2011, 20:21
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Import it from where? This also can be a can o' worms!!!
holland. its getting the afk done there tomorrow. I told them to make the test extra hard if it doesnt pass there i will drop the whole idea (she is giving it for free 240k 525d break but since new in the family...)
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holland. its getting the afk done there tomorrow. I told them to make the test extra hard if it doesnt pass there i will drop the whole idea (she is giving it for free 240k 525d break but since new in the family...)
Ah good Idea
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Old 19.07.2011, 20:25
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Well I'd sure hope so!!! LOL

Is this the car from the garage tho? Are they now selling it with fresh MFK or am I missing something?
The car is from a garage, fresh MFK done yesterday, service and repairs history not available at the moment, this is what I got as an answer:

Frisch ab MFK, CH Fahrzeug, Service und Reparaturen sind im Moment keine bekannt.

My guess is as the car passed MFK it's in a good state but no service record, so it needs a general check with MB garage or mechanic to see what needs to be serviced at the moment or near future...
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, new timing belt, etc.

Buying a used car without MFK is a big gamble, I wouldn't buy one without.

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Hi Tom,

The timing belt is a service item & is not checked as part of the MFK.
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As the car passed it's MFK just yesterday, say I buy it tomorrow and take it to another MFK test at 56 CHF I should be very confident it will pass it right? No mechanic, garage, 500 CHF worth of engine bay cleaning involved?
If it's passed a garage may have agreed to do further work, which they may or may not have done. I even once signed such a paper the car passed.

Why would you want to take a car that had a fresh test for another one? A lot of the test is opinion.....
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Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

Great thread..

For my 2 cents..it's a risk/benefit analysis... and I'd say, buy it... especially if you live near a border

Most Swiss are hugely risk averse... and with the high costs of labour it's not surprising..they wont touch a car with 200k on the clock..

But that Merc will easily do 500k with regular servicing... unless you're dead unlucky only the 'basics' will need replacing or will cause an MFK failure... and if you do that in France/Germany the costs will be 'reasonable'.

And what's the worse case scenario ? You could run that car for a year.. spend nothing on it and then, if you are faced with a big bill, bin it... in that case the total cost to you is 2k.. that's way less than normal depreciation on almost any other car. If you run it for more than a year.. you're laughing.
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Great thread..

For my 2 cents..it's a risk/benefit analysis... and I'd say, buy it... especially if you live near a border

Most Swiss are hugely risk averse... and with the high costs of labour it's not surprising..they wont touch a car with 200k on the clock..

But that Merc will easily do 500k with regular servicing... unless you're dead unlucky only the 'basics' will need replacing or will cause an MFK failure... and if you do that in France/Germany the costs will be 'reasonable'.

And what's the worse case scenario ? You could run that car for a year.. spend nothing on it and then, if you are faced with a big bill, bin it... in that case the total cost to you is 2k.. that's way less than normal depreciation on almost any other car. If you run it for more than a year.. you're laughing.
Exactly my point.

Local practice is the best in terms of hassle-risk-free and getting security for the money. But for a lot of money. So I was just thinking to consider these cars that aren't attractive for the swiss buyer but will outlast the new cheap cars...

Found another one, current MFK 6 months old, full service history book done at Mercedes dealer, 200k kms, 1996, petrol..seems to be in a very good state, some speaker inside is not working if I can understand right... Price starts at 2800 but no bids...

http://auto.fr.ricardo.ch/acheter/ve...w/an649562816/
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Old 20.07.2011, 10:48
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Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

I got few photos of the Merc with no service book but current MFK.

Generally in great condition only 2 spots of rust on the side. Don't know if you can pass with this on the MFK test and how repairable are they.





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That rust is not an issue for MFK, Looks clean
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The 200k one On Ricardo looks worth a punt, current mfk what more could you want!
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The 200k one On Ricardo looks worth a punt, current mfk what more could you want!
Yes, that one seems solid too, I will call later to ask more, as I keep searching I found out that diesel is not an option in this price range, for 3000 you find ones with 400k kms or the one with less usually have problems, oil leaks etc, good ones with 300k km start at 4000. As I won't be driving more than 50.000 per year, I think I should stick to petrol at least for the start and see how much travel we will do to Cote dAzur and other destinations.

I keep finding good cars, this one has 260k, fresh MFK and 1 month guarantee for 3500:

http://www.autoscout24.ch/AS24Web/De...&page=7&row=13

Don't know how negotiable this prices are but one thing is you can always ask...

I see a lot of big engines sold for little money, 3200cc and 4200cc especially, I'm trying to stay away first for the insurance (as it will be my first car registered in CH) and consumption, those things must be beasts. Can't think of the speed tickets I would be getting!
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3rd party insurance is cheap, it's more with a bigger engine but not a huge amount unlike the uk,
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your tax in vaud is based on weight and HP if im not mistaken. the 4.2 is awesome but consumes sooooo much (for european standards ) I had the 4.2 from audi with 344 (s4) and damn was that fun haha.

The thing with these mercs where you have to look is under the door seams and in the back under the window seams. the trunk is also prone to rusting. once you gut rust.....it will only continue to get bigger.
Also go lurk on the mercedes forums, always grat info on what is prone to break....
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Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

Got my eye on this one so I called to see about the MFK...

http://www.autoscout24.ch/AS24Web/De...6&page=2&row=1

250k, diesel engine, looks very nice...

The garage sells it as is, no warranty no MFK. They said the price is final and it comes with that. I asked what needs to be repaired to pass the MFK: change of brake pads on the front and some bolt also on the front, couldn't understand what was that. I asked if they will fix the car for me and I pay (as they are mechanics) they said they won't bother and only sell the car as is...

If the mechanic doesn't want to fix it you in order to sell it to you.... There must be something very wrong with it.
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Got my eye on this one so I called to see about the MFK...

http://www.autoscout24.ch/AS24Web/De...6&page=2&row=1

250k, diesel engine, looks very nice...

The garage sells it as is, no warranty no MFK. They said the price is final and it comes with that. I asked what needs to be repaired to pass the MFK: change of brake pads on the front and some bolt also on the front, couldn't understand what was that. I asked if they will fix the car for me and I pay (as they are mechanics) they said they won't bother and only sell the car as is...

If the mechanic doesn't want to fix it you in order to sell it to you.... There must be something very wrong with it.

dont take it and walk away. bold on the front likely translates to the whole front suspension (tie rod ends etc etc easy fix once again but time consuming) WALK AWAY
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Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

I think there may be more to it as they don't want to touch it, so I let it go even though it looks really nice.

Found a garage near me that has E 280 from 1997 with 260k kms, classic model kombi, no warranty for 2900, gave them a call, said additional 1000 for MFK and lowered the price to 2500... I asked them what kind of service it needs to pass, they mentioned the famous engine bay cleaning and some other work, me of course in a deliberate stupid way I asked well can I do it myself than? Apparently no, as there is some work to the suspension to be done? I couldn't understand that either.

It's only 50km from where I live so I'm planning to go and see it for myself... But service to suspension is bothering me, I've heard garages charging 500 CHF for MFK test, either they are charging me more just to get more out of the car and it is an easy fix...or it's a trouble and they will repair it after it has been sold...
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I think there may be more to it as they don't want to touch it, so I let it go even though it looks really nice.

Found a garage near me that has E 280 from 1997 with 260k kms, classic model kombi, no warranty for 2900, gave them a call, said additional 1000 for MFK and lowered the price to 2500... I asked them what kind of service it needs to pass, they mentioned the famous engine bay cleaning and some other work, me of course in a deliberate stupid way I asked well can I do it myself than? Apparently no, as there is some work to the suspension to be done? I couldn't understand that either.

It's only 50km from where I live so I'm planning to go and see it for myself... But service to suspension is bothering me, I've heard garages charging 500 CHF for MFK test, either they are charging me more just to get more out of the car and it is an easy fix...or it's a trouble and they will repair it after it has been sold...
Get one with MFK , if you were in any different country id say go for it but not here. They will bend you over sideways AND backwards if they can. Also do you speak their language? otherwise it might be a good idea to take someone with you. honestly get an MFK one so you are good for 2 years. tell them 4k WITH the mfk otherwise walk away again
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